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So it's the BSPA that messed up. At least we all know that now.

I'm personally a fan of the Nige and Kelvin presentation team. I'd rather over excitement than dead pan vanilla presentation. What we have seen is that when none speedway people come into presenting the sport they simply haven't a clue and what's the presentation ridiculous. I'd rather a safe speedway knowledgeable pair of hands than anything else. Personally I think there was a lot of good reason for the shouty duo to get overexcited about last year!

The meetings covered on SKY in 2016 were of an excellent quality as far as the racing goes.

Wolves never bought Seb Ulamek but he is still a wolves asset.

Milik and Madsen first rode for Poole and rode full seasons so they are assets. Poole have used their asset base as they are entitled to do so.

Holder, KK, Lindback, Bjarne, Ward, Brady, Watt, Milik, THJ, Dennis Andersson. All assets used in past 5 years. Madsen only rode for Poole didn't he so must be an asset? Didn't Poole buy Janowski? Didn't Buczkowski and Gomolski become assets thru Frost?? Nothing wrong with using your own assets, Poole certainly have.

I asked this very question at the talk in in November and is covered in my report of it on here. Basically CVS thinks it's not worth buying contracts of riders because of their availability and long term isn't worth it. Or something like that. Do I still have to pay to get in?

But still missing my point not surprisingly. Doesn't matter how high the number is how many are realistically likely to come back out of that list? Take out the top guys because we are meant to be cutting costs right?? Lindback has zero interest in being here, ditto MJJ, ditto Walasek, kornielussen, Buczkowski, Thomsen, Swiderski, Alden, Stachyra, Bech. so realistically of those on the list who appear to WANT to ride here you can add about 14 who are a decent enough standard. I expanded the list for one point only. Doesn't matter how many are on it. It's who wants to ride here from it that's the important thing. And when you look at those left who are in the list there isn't a great deal of choice to select from. You think there will be enough riders for next season using only one league. Fair enough and you could be right. I still believe there are not enough decent standard riders that want to come to fill those glaringly obvious heat leader/second string roles. I'm not getting into a silly debate with you as mine was only an opinion based on observations so I don't feel a need to be proved right. I'm just offering a caution to those who believe that one big league will be simple, easy to sort and the way forward.

I've no idea why you are still going on about a mindless argument for. You asked me to provide information and I have. You have however ignored my genuine question on at least 2 occasions as if we have such an abundance of riders to fill team spots as you suggest why then are we still using double uppers????

Having reviewed the list thoroughly there are 54 riders who rode last year who appear not to be starting anywhere in the UK. Retired - Lanham, Stead, Skidmore, Fisher, Gjedde(?) PK (from UK). Wanting to ride but no team spots - Kenny Bjerre, Sarjeant and Nielsen Had team spots in 2016 but probably aren't really good enough - Stokes, Ritchings, Halsey, Olly Greenwood. The rest - Iversen, Jonsson, Zagar, Woffinden, Lindback, Bjarne P, Kylmakorpi, Ulamek, Bech, Korneilussen, Buczkowski, Thomsen, Wozniak, Kus, Walasek, Bach, Swiderski, Alden, Risager, Lyager, Woryna,Busk Jacobsen, Pjiper, Aarnio, Palovaraa, Wethers,Lykke,Mear, Mellgren, Simota, Hummel, Karger, Garcia, Bukhave, Castagna, Stachyra, Payne. Like I said way more than 24. 36 was a quick look I'd missed plenty off when I did some simple homework.

It isn't a mindless argument in the slightest. There are 36 riders who have either retired or are not riding here or in either league this season. Feel free to name me your 24 and I will happily add the other 12. Anyway to take it up a level I'm not saying that IF the leagues combine that those in authority won't come up with a suitable structure to ensure all teams that enter will have an ability to fill those places. Like you say it isn't impossible that riders like Ulamek, Korneliussen, Walasek, even Bjarne might be tempted back or even riders who fancy more meetings in one big league. I thought the whole idea was to water the structure down to make one big league? Surely then there is no way the likes of Kildemand, Smolinski, MJJ etc would A) want more meetings or the lower level teams would want the cost implications. I can see the logic to those that argue that it's what our leagues need right now and it makes some sense if you are looking at it from cutting out the expense and preserving what we have. I can see it without having to agree with it. But cutting out the expense means losing more riders (top end foreigners) and we need more not less to make it work. For me there is no credibility to one big league and there is little chance that the next generation will progress to possibly represent us at the World table. I keep going back to this list you mention, if it's that easy why don't the BSPA say no more doubling up and riders can only ride for one team and one league??? The answer is simple, neither league is viable to make a living for the vast majority of riders. I can see quite a few riders retiring due to being forced to earn less. In principle it's ideal to have one rider one team in the UK, that would be ideal. But I fail to see how it can be implemented successfully or fairly.

Yes I recall that too and thought it odd at the time as well!

The list you quoted has at least 36 riders who either have retired or chosen not to ride here including riders who are very much part time users of the top flight league. We need doubling up riders to fill spots due to lack of quality riders wanting to ride here. I will repeat, if it's that's easy to fill team spots with an abundance of riders why then do double up riders dominate both leagues?? It's very easy to quote a list and say this is the proof. A careful examination of the list shows up the flaw in the list itself. God forbid one big league ever happens again you can take off several more big names who are unlikely to want to ride in it or clubs have the money or budget or points limit to include the likes of Holder, Doyle, Lindgren etc. Even Less riders to choose from this list which is already outdated.

Makes you wonder why teams struggle to fill places without double uppers which has littered teams for several seasons then if it's apparently that easy. If it was as easy as you suggested then why on earth do we need double up riders?? The truth is within the quality of riders on the BSPA list, what is stupid is suggesting it's so simple to divide the riders on the list out to make one rider teams. If it was possible they would already be doing it. There aren't enough top quality riders available to make the team strengths even and meaningful. The riders will say they can't make it pay by doing one league in the UK. I can see several riders quiting because they won't be able to make it pay.

The indications are that it's going that way but I believe the promoters are keen to keep the leagues separate.

There aren't enough riders to fill both the premiership and championship teams this season, or are you telling me I'm wrong? ?The NL wouldn't be part of one big league so I'm only using the teams we currently have in those leagues. We might gain more teams like Birmingham and Eastbourne which might help but how on earth is it possible to fill all the teams currently in both the top 2 leagues with one club only riders when we can't do that now?? so no, I don't reckon there are enough riders to fill all the teams positions. We have 3 riders out of work at present yet how many are sharing roles in the top 2 leagues? I make it 21. so where are these other 18 riders coming from??? The NL (18 riders won't be of reserve standard imho). so, where are these riders coming from?? still think it's stupid?

There aren't enough riders to fill out one big league hence why doubling up is part of the game. Thank god because one big league would be the last nail in the coffin of British speedway.

Time will tell i guess if it's likely. It's pointless having an asset if you can't have first call on his services.

King if he signed would give the Stars priority if he is their asset. Asset is first priority on the list.

Whilst it's criminal that some British riders are left without a club at all, it would be the wrong thing to allow these riders to replace much lower standard riders because they have 3 clubs. What this will do will give an advantage to those clubs who have the riders mentioned and that cannot be right. Every season you get one or two riders missing out and this has become more apparent due to the poor handling of the Coventry situation. Chapman has at least admitted in this week's speedway star that they should have pulled Coventry back in November and whether this would have had an impact on those named riders missing out on team places is still very much open to discussion. One less team means 7 less places so someone would have missed out. The most criminal thing however is that these riders who are still developing and improving have no team places in the 2nd tier. This league if anything is more guilty.

Irrelevant, Sandhu bought the stadium to sell. It was only a matter of time before he closed the place down. Nothing was going to change that.

Of course, a catalogue of events none can come out with much credit from. My only main point is that without the sale of the stadium then Brandon Estates wouldn't be holding all the cards and none of these events would be an issue!

Only one person bought the stadium to sell and close the club down. And guess what???? It's happened!!! Horton may not be innocent but he isn't the main guilty party here.

Hasn't been confirmed anywhere.

Must admit I can't find anything. It's no clearer from the SCB rules on averages either.