mikebv

The technical and medical term for this type of person is a....... ""LOON"...

Tungate in the SS said Denmark had 3 plans, one with no fans, one with some fans, and one with no restrictions.. The UK still have a plan built on "can't run without fans in the stadiums", which is still a distinct possibly... Cannot blame riders for following the leagues that appear to be making (as much as they can do), cast iron plans...

The Aussie riders didnt when they got back over there.. And nor did the Aussie Open Tennis players.. And mainland Europe hasn't been impacted too severely with quarantining yet, but given the issues getting so many vaccinated, it soon surely will be.. No point getting every person at reasonable risk and above, vaccinated over here, (with vaccines remember that we only "think" work given how quick it was developed, and the way a virus mutates to stay 'alive') when someone can still come in from abroad and keep the virus (or a mutant one) within us..

As should have been done donkeys years ago... They had a good system in the 70's through to around the mid to late 80's.. And then stopped following it..

And given the quarantine rules are fast changing and more and more countries will be added to the list of those you need to spend (at your own cost), ten days in a hotel quarantining, I would think any overseas riders are at risk of not riding a full season.. Poland will be pulling up the drawbridge too I would suggest and expect all with contracts to stay permanently over there.. Given the vaccine issues Europe has, this wont end this summer..

A wise old store manager about 35 years ago walked his new night manager around the store early in the morning.. The new night manager was 'quite pleased with himself' at what he had achieved that night, only leaving 5 cages of stock out of 120 he and his team received... The wise old store manager asked me (I mean 'him' obviously!), why hadn't the other five been done? The answer of "no time boss" was met with a simple question.. Which was. "If I had said last evening that I will walk in this morning and give you 1000 pounds in your hand if you had completed 120 cages, would you have completed them?" The answer was an obvious "Yes", therefore he quite rightly answered.. "So it was just down to a lack of will, self pride and desire then?".. No answer did that young man have, but it did focus his mind for the rest of his career.. Now... If every promoter was guaranteed £10,000 in their hand for every meeting they ran without guests, I am pretty sure they would find the 'will and desire' to find a way to do it, and subsequently have the 'self pride' of running the sport properly.. Poland dont use guests in the UK sense but do D/U and call them guests, however the D/U riders only ride for that team, and it has only been allowed for Covid.. Betard would never plough the hundreds of thousands of euro they do into the sport if Woffy or Majic were allowed to help out their opponents to ultimately see Wroclaw fail through their actions, and the teams they help out then be successful.. If the UK wants "big sponsors" for teams then you cant really have guest riders, so why not try and find a way to do it now.. Next year should be a 'free hit' given the uncertainty going on, so when better to see what could work?

If 2 riders are missing then simply dont run the meeting... Give the side time to sign someone else or when they get one rider back.. Dont "contrive" League Speedway anymore.. As for using away averages for away meetings? There will always be track specialists who perform well at a certain track and run a much lower overall away average than the rider getting replaced.. I remember Matej Zagar at Lakeside always seeming to be 'elsewhere' when the Aces rode against them, (an 'oversight' in fixture planning from both teams that I am sure), and he ran a strong average home and away.. He got replaced by a rider of lesser ability but invariably one much better than him at Lakeside.. I seem also to remember having three inferior 'ringers' one night with RR, and "winning".... Maybe using the average at that individual track only could work, however not having guests at all would work so much better for me..

Now that no 'out and out' No1's are out there, and the heat leader to reserve differential has been as narrow as it has ever been (ex RS).. Is it now the perfect time to dispense with that credibility and integrity destroying guest system? I personally wont follow a team anymore, and therefore treat the sport as a proper team sport, when, for example, Brady Kurtz can top score for any other team in the league on an adhoc basis and, as a result, prevent his own team from reaching the play offs.. What is the point of following the Aces, and investing that so important emotional attachment that all team sports should inspire, when your 'talisman' can be the 'talisman' for any other team too whenever it suits? So.. Maybe use a fit for purpose rider replacement facility instead? No Number 1? Then the next two riders can take all his rides up to seven apiece per night. Meaning all his rides covered between them (if that is what the manager wants to do), and they can still do Ht 15 together.. No 2nd heat leader? Then the No1 rider can take two rides and the third heat leader the same. Again if the managers wants to do it, he may want to give a rider from lower in the team who is doing well that night more rides.. Utilise the same system going down the team for riders 3 to 6, ie the riders above and below can take two rides each to cover the gap.. If a 'Seven' is missing then another unattached U21 NL rider can come in, (a list of these riders could be circulated and if used, that rider then must only ride for that team going forward).. If a 'Seven' is missing then the replacement must have a minimum of two rides with the 'No6' taking the two others... It would mean a credible League taking place, and create 'proper teams', as well as providing riders from that team more earning potential when one of their own is missing.. Could it work?

You can see why it is taking so long to confirm teams and get fixtures out... Depending on the rider, both divisions could be impacted and given so many double up/down it must be a nightmare trying to finalise things...

"Jason Who?" Would say many of the public who live in Somerset.. No disrespect at all meant to the guy because apart from Woffy I dont think any name resonates in any shape or form over here to anyone "outside the sport".. One of the biggest hopes I think is that Discovery can use their considerable size to generate some interest from more than just the usual followers.. A bit of hype (artificial or not), wouldn't be a bad thing as a starter..

For me. Crowds would grow in the short term as 'ex fans' came back, and those less regular fans attended more frequently.. Novelty value and all that.. But then crowds would drop back as that novelty wore off, leaving clubs with the most expensive riders and crowds that won't sustain them.. Pretty much where the sport was 15 to 20 or so years ago, all the top riders rode here but crowds dwindled each year whilst they did... And TV coverage was also great, the best rode here, yet sponsors didn't throw money at it... Three top heat leaders per team became two, and then two became one, and finally all was left was Jason Doyle..... And now even he has gone.... Bottom line is the wider sporting watching public don't know who are 'top stars', and who are not, so their appearance wouldn't generate enough 'new fans' for me to justify the outlay... This year's predicted teams in the top division resemble something like a 'Championship Plus' standard with the 2nd tier resembling a 'Championship Lite'... Reflective of where the sport really is crowd wise for me, and probably at the lowest overall standard it has ran with, but sometimes you do have to go backwards to go forwards... Hopefully this is part of a well thought out plan of incremental growth, or who knows, maybe this standard will prove a success and provide a few years of stability for the sport?

The plan they have should defintely include a consistent weekly fixture list to get people back into the habit and routine for going.. And also do some discounted "bulk buy" tickets, say five meetings for fifty quid? Getting people there is key so all incentives should be used to get them back in the stadiums. Maybe also raffle off a season ticket at each of the first five meetings? £1 a ticket or 10 for a fiver, would see a good many fivers being spent I would suggest and make far more per season ticket than selling one would for ten matches or so..

It's a full blown Turkey Foil one needed.... Three layers...

I think that if the tracks can keep their pre Covid crowd levels then they will have done well... Two main reasons.. One, the demographic of the fan base and the % level of it that is in the higher risk categories, there are still many questions to be answered around how the various vaccines will cope with the usual mutant strains that evolve from a virus, let alone deal with the original one... And two, the financial hit to everyone that will inevitably have to be taken to pay for the huge black hole in the countries finances... Speedway (and sport in general) will be a long way down the priority order as to how money is spent I would think.. And a possible third impact is a bit more random, but my mates and I have all had Season Tickets at Old Trafford for a few years but probably won't be renewing.. The reason? Not particularly financial for us, but simply we have got out of the habit of going, and pretty much decided that watching the game in the comfort of your own armchair is "fine" and that spending over a grand a year, plus circa £100 a match getting there, eating and drinking, isn't really money well spent.. Many ex fans say on here how after a month or so of not going to Speedway that they didnt miss it, and that they too often simply attended out of habit... In marketing it is reckoned that if you do something/or stop doing something, for 28 days it becomes your 'new normal, hence campaigns are often around four weeks in length to try and influence that change.. Getting people to go back to doing something after well over 18 months has passed will be a serious challenge and will need a very strong campaign of advertising I would say... Lets hope with Eurosports involvement and support the campaign can be successful.. But the size of the challenge certainly shouldn't be underestimated..

And around another 58 contributors also went at exactly the same time....

As I say, no criticism, (or comparison), it was just I saw Cook at No1 and presumed I was in the Glasgow thread, (forgot he had gone to KL).. As you say, the PL team will still hammer a Champ team due to the Champ team being diluted to maintain the gap.. It was just a bit of shock to see how weak the top league had become, 'if' that is a confirmed PL team obviously... Could still be a competitive season though if all teams are truly similar from the outset so let's hope they can all put out such teams and get some decent racing for the first year of Eurosports coverage.. If it takes off then 'new stars' will be found, and the 'old stars' won't be known to any new audience watching anyway, so their absence won't diminish the standard perception to them.. And that type of team must be more affordable surely? Which can only be a positive...

I think for the good (or maybe even survival) of the sport, the fans in this country will have to go along with 'whatever' is served up this season.. And lets face it if you are still a regular, it means you are pretty much immune to the many years of nonsense that has passed and are therefore willing to accept what you are given, so hopefully will be relied upon to back the promoters.. A possible free pass maybe this season for the promoters, where some slack is given as they try and deliver the sport (and the Eurosport contract)...

Re the comments about team strengths.. I read this post at the time and thought "that looks a good team, no wonder Glasgow were fighting to keep their side together".. It was when I came out of the thread I realised I was in the Kings Lynn one... Not any criticism by the way, but just an observation as to how team strengths are now unrecognisable from just 5 years ago, never mind 10, never mind 20... For me though, as long as the leagues have credibility and integrity, and each team are allowed to build a competitive team, then it is 100% the right thing to do.. I would suggest though if any price increases are planned, then maybe they should leave it for this year...

And lots of doubling up and down....

I was there that night at Leicester.. Coincidentally it was one of the last league meetings (in the UK), that I went to... Can't think why... Watching him 'paddle with his feet' around the track whilst getting lapped was a particular "highlight" that night. . Almost as enjoyable as the nigh on one hundred quid hole in my wallet after Petrol, Food, Drink and Admission for me and my lad.. Luckily, I have saved miles more by not attending since so he actually did me a favour. ..

About 20 years too late, but, better late than never... At last it appears that those who have routinely year on year helped reduce the sport to an almost irrelevance at domestic league level by using such a ludicrous operating model and business plan, have either been outnumbered and have no choice but to lump it, or have finally seen the hand in front of their face reality that whatever they did to help their own team win a title, it made zero impact to the sports long term success, as basically, it mattered not one jot to so many given the lack of a credible offer that they provided each week... Getting the GB team successful consistently has to be the overriding priority of the BSPL, with all three of their leagues providing an end to that means, with hopefully also the assistance of Poland and Sweden in providing places for UK riders deemed sufficiently good enough to get those place offers as they progress.. Teams full of UK lads has to be the target for the sport over here to once again get the publicity it so badly needs, and there really is no better way for a sport to awaken the public's consciousness towards it than bringing national success into their homes via the TV and media regularly... Lets hope it's the start of promoters finally bringing some reality to what their roles really are, (which is to grow the sport as a collective), and the end of them feeling that their own team winning any UK speedway title was 'the be all and end all', because it truly isn't... Good luck to all who are giving it go and let's hope any bumps in the road are taken as such and don't get used as an excuse for any abandonment of the scheme.. Who knows, maybe in a few years time the domestic titles in the UK will have credibility due to being ran 'properly' and the teams that win the comps gain some 'proper' national coverage (and financial rewards), for their endeavours, and it will be all down to having generated interest in the sport through having plenty of British world class riders dominating the sport at the highest level.. It will be a long old road, but the journey has to start somewhere...

Great news re bringing on the young riders.. A successful GB team will deliver miles more coverage, publicity and therefore awareness of the sport, than any individual team success ever could.. 5 years though is a long time, and we have had plans of this length before.. So let's hope this time they stay solidly behind the plan.. Although, given some of the people now involved, I think we can have a bit more confidence that such a plan will now get carried through...

Let's be honest the main reason for fixed race nights was simply to ensure plenty of guests for both leagues would be available and provide plenty of Double Up/Down opportunities for riders who need to ride in two or more leagues to make it pay... A quite incredible operating model to devise, nail your mast to, and expect it to deliver a successful business..

However, fixed race nights did ensure that all the top riders in the world came back to ride over here..... Oh, hang on......

Without going down the 'all our yesterdays' route... During the 'halcyon days' of the 70's, teams had 'overseas' riders but they weren't generally (as you correctly describe), the 'modestly talented' ones... They were pretty much the top riders from their own countries, who rode in World Finals, World Pairs, World Team Cups and Test Matches.. The 'elite' of their respective nations.. Many British League Div One team's had overseas "top level" riders amongst their septet but, in the main, most had at least five UK riders too, and that was at a time of around 16 or so teams in the First Division... Whilst hardly a 'youth policy', if it means meetings take place regularly, and thus stop getting moved around to pander to rider's own agendas all the time, then as many British lads per team will be a positive.. And for the long term good of the sport, the more we give opportunities to the 'modestly talented' UK riders to try and improve, rather than their equally 'modestly talented' overseas counterparts, the better it should turn out to be going forward....