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I don't think anyone is accusing anyone of cheating. I don't think anyone would cheat but there can be some colourful interpretations of the rules and some creative team building, evidence of this was Scunthorpe who reshuffle after reshuffle ended up with SN at no. 8 a 5 point rider all very legal as he was the lowest ranking rider in the team and of course his average wouldn't count in the points limit. I would wonder why Adam is not a permanent fixture in the Potters rather than redeclare and redeclare as Ashley & Richie maybe absent quite a few times as there are a few Sat tracks in PL. Why would you have a no guests rule, in the league, except Res and No. 1 when clearly there are bonifiedy ways round these rules. (This is a genuine observation not an attack an anyone)

You keep up the good work take no notice of anybody else........It's being so miserable that keeps them all going i'm affraid only been a supporter for a couple of years and I have never known a bunch of people like it

I think you mean; 'where can I find where it says that'

Yes it did go ahead, and it turned out to be a resounding win for the KL Lightnings. Thanks to the sterling efforts of Long Eaton Press Officer Nigel Nattras, and our website host Phil Spence, you will find a full report plus heat details on the Long Eaton Invaders website.

It all adds to the exctement

The MDL has 7 teams the AJL has 6 the NJL has 3 or 4 thats(and there are rumblings I think of a SJL) 18ish teams min 4 riders per team. That is 72 riders do you think there are 72 youngsters out there trying to get into speedway. I think you maybe confusing the Junior Championship with the mid 2000's when they couldn't accomodate all riders. If anything these lads you mention will 1) hopefully play their part in getting more teams back and 2 help up and coming riders to find their way and hopefully find the next World Cup winning team. ( I prefer team events to the IND. GP's) If a rookie lines up with MB or LP then it will give them a marker to measure themselves against. In other countries you see top riders ridng agaimst youngsters or juniors against the likes of Davie Watt and Chris Holder it gives the lads something to work towards if you are constantly racing against your own class you never have anything to work towards. It would be nice if the likes of Nicholls, Harris, etc would do ind meetings against the youngsters but I cant see that ever happening. There is a snobery in this country that needs to be brushed off. The only one I know of is the much maligned Woffenden who doesn't seem to care who he goes out with and is seen to be riding against.

Not sure of the relevance of your question. I don't run speedway teams. The thread is called 'concern for the NL'. as it does seem to be struggling to attract support and if it is to remain a semi professional league one would assume it needs to attract a few more. I was questioning the, what seems to be growing golf between the teams with the quote from RG in Backlesses post. I support all NL riders and wish them ALL, the very best. It seems to me it would be better if the league went Amateur and then the questions wouldn't arise but as it is the bread and butter of the riders trying to go PL then that is possibly not the best policy either

To be honest I was just making reference to a RG quote from Backless about wanting to make the league soley developmental. with raw talent which to my mind devides the league even more than it is. As usual I was treated to the usual barage of abuse from the usual suspects so I'm giving this one a miss now. Hopefully it will be a good meeting for you

I suggest yiu read it again Takes one to know one

Maybe the NL isn't the place for the saints although Kings Lynn and Rye House want to bring riders through to they are trying to put competitive sides together and from what has been said on here RG has a completley different agenda. Although I'm sure everyone will support the Saints this year and whsh them all the very best I believe for example their first meeting is at away match Mildenhall and I'm not sure Mildenhall supporters are paying for that kind of entertainment but we will see. It's not just the home fans that are paying to see the Saints but people like Stoke fans are paying to watch them away. One more thing, is there too much pressure being put on Adam and Tom? when they are trying to get the breakthrough they need I know SP wont put them under any presssure but he wont need to they will probably do that themselves Only time will tell hpopefully it will be a good experiment PS before I get Worralls and Birks thrown at me 'again' lets not forget these lads were very accomplished MX riders before making the switch where you line up with 40 oponents and have to gat and race to get anywhere

I did ask the moderators if they could make the NJL & MDL 'pinned' topics (I think they are called now) last year and got no reply so don't hold your breath

These are just some of the sites you can get regular updates; for MDL and NJL not sure about the AJL. http://www.halifaxdukes.co.uk/ http://www.longeatoninvaders.co.uk/ http://www.spensites.co.uk/mvindex.html Theres is a section on the BSPA site now aswell http://www.speedwaygb.co/jlpressreleases.html Can anyone add anymore sites to this?

Interesting you mention sounding desperate!!!!! I don't think the loss of a team should be used to win an argument. I think it is sad particularly for Steve and Graham who put so much into it. No I support all the lads and feel for the ones who aren't progressing for whatever reason. P.s Probably because I know what goes into it........I don't think any one of them is s*** and I resent the comment

Everytime this subject comes up we are served 3 choruses of 'Scunthorpe forever' and it is starting to wear a bit now

I'm not sure you lot actually believe all tis drivle or whether you are on a wind up

He is not the only one who has shown such credentials Newcastle took a gamble on someone who had virtually no experience not sure they would do the same with others. I'm not gonna get into an argument with you on that one. 'Suport 'OMG you think he has gotten to Lakeside in 1 season with no support (Not necessarily financial but I'm sure his PL points money helped) I'm all for discussion but only when both sides ae opearting in the realworld. Stoke are going to find their last riders from rheir own Amateur meeting

I presume in that statement you include Adam Wrathall I supose it does show what can be done when you have a shed load of support behind you (and I don't mean just money) just not all seem to get it. No desrespect to Richie as quite rightly he will grab whatever he is offered but he is not the only one. I'm just saying don't dis the ones who haven't had such support. Maybe it is down to other promotions not doing their bit but is that the riders fault? Does that earn them the right to call them s*** It may have escaped your notice but only Stevie is riding for the saints but faiplay to Stoke as they have to build a team to win

How can Richie doubling up through 3 leagues be good for other riders? Priceless!!!!

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I don't think there is an intention to replace the NL with the 2nd half leagues. It's just to get riders up to the standard to make the NL more competitive and obviously put NL in the shop window with PL and EL supporters. If they like what they see i the 2nd halfs who knows they may even take in a meeting or 2 and increase the crowd base.

And putting it in this section is only going to compound the problem, I would say. It is a Junior (inexperienced) league not a youth (age related) league. I imagine there wil be some MX riders making the switch competeing and they may not be 16. I'm of the understanding that it will follow the rules of the MDL & NJL in previous seasons with some ammendements. In the past it has been 1 NL rider in for each team but on occasions it has been difficult to get Youngsters with school commitments etc.... So another NL rider has filled the gap but I believe this has been tightened this season. The BSPA website has given this league it's on section on the BSPA site which is excellent news.

I am sorry I cant share your memories that far back.....I apologise if it came across that way. The question was suposed to put a different point of view.

Once again I agree

Very good post Dean Nobody sees the PL as a training ground for the EL, which it is. One thing we must not do though is degrade the efforts of Amateur set ups.Although I know that is not what you meant Dean

I didn't assume your answer I am pleased you like it. I was merely giving you another point of view by asking a question I have started supporting speedway since my involvement with the NL before I could take it or leave it more often than not leave it. Names I couldn't pronounce, riders I couldn't relate to etc etc etc. Unfortunatley we all need to get out there and promote the league, If we want our league to survivie. We cant just leave it to the BSPA to wave a magic wand.