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Mine 1969 i think v Halifax at the abbey, loved it it took over my childhood loved it though and met some great people along the way.

A massive post full of crap as usual why don't you do that on other threads? because some will tell you to p... Off.We know ur take on Poole, Ward Starman ect) move on on and contribute on other subjects as long it is not speedway!!!

Have a opinion don't sit on the sidelines and slag people, but i am afraid you are not capable shame really.

What is it ? i did Valieteux 33s for the champion hurdle fiver Eway not good anough Faugheen will be.

Bit harsh Starman, now that Faugheen after winning next weekend? he could be 4/6 on ? a joke price.What is your speculative Cheltenham bet? Mine is Don Poli in the four miler crap price not a cert to get trip 5/2 maybe crabby price.

Maybe you do,but i can't ever remember you having a real opinion passion my memory of you is slighting others sarcasm (ect).No real input i could be wrong more and likely i am,but i could be way off the mark.

I did not know that i am sorry! you Iris are a great post great value. Yes but you offer nothing no opinion no real passion, people you don't like i like so your best bet is to go and do the bins!!

Great stuff Iris and i have been wrong more than you over the years that is a certainty.

Love it finished the dishes and the washing up well done be quiet.

Bertie what about Sumner McKnight and Veijo?

Like you maybe? don't be arrogant Iris.

Well he sticks to his belief right or wrong, i don't know the bloke but he will express his opinion.You make me laugh since i have been on the forum you have never come up with anythink forward thinking ever.And know from a few people that you are well ? we won't worry about that ?

A great forum WK but there are a few we know who they are but there are some great threads on this forum.

I have done that as you well know WK picked the wrong Discuusion? I think even if Starman debates and gets everything right in the next six months he is a marked man.But there is a TREND where there are certain people we know who they are come in and stick together a gang up culture which is not nice.

Harsh very harsh!and Starman is not thick far from it (ie) he does not give a monkeys what people think.He now is the bloke to pick on and this FORUM does that a gang up culture who stick together a trend that is noticeable.

But both at that stage and year were more than just as you say just PROMISING Nielsen/Gundersen.You must be in your own little world Collins for a period at Hyde Rd was nearly unbeatable i was not a fan i was a Lee supporter but Collins was great and exciting with it.Olsen also was a great, are you SAYING both of these blokes beat up on lesser riders total rubbish both were great riders you would have to be Stevie Wonder not to know that. I hope you have the right averages? where did you get them from? Yes and i see him score ?I think on an oversized engine for Wolves my memory is going it could of been 19 pts? at Swindon.

( no order Briggs,Crump,Ashby,Adams,Autrey( i know one season only)Kilby Broadbanks ( reached alot of world finals loved swindon)White as reserve.

Michanek, Lovaas,Schwartz,Davis, Zagar, Jonsson, Hancock.

Good points,but you were totally wrong about Nielsen/Gundersen in 81,at that point they were more than just promising riders as i said Nielsen had been quietly fancied to ride well at Gothenburg Gundersen at Wembley( did he break the track record that year?) 'sommelier' Olsen who only won three titles was twice the rider of a modern day Pedersen better than Nielsen in my opinion and he was a great to.Olsen had everything a great style smooth, he was tough could gate and come from the back.And often underestimated was a great team man rider helped loads of young riders over the years.Out of the greats he only won three titles but he was better than that, he was one of the few who could beat a peak PC at Hyde Rd at his pomp and PC then was buzzing nearly unbeatable.

You are right but have a look at our old BL that was the envy of the world at one time riders like Penhall as a example new they had to ride over here to be world class.The level then was very high, ok not as professional Mauger changed that but the league racing here was in a very healthy state talent wise.As a example Belle Vue one year had Mauger,Pusey,Sjosten,Collins, as a spine of the team now we are just an afterthought for most top riders.Going back to Nielsen/Gundersen most of us could see they were going to be great riders ,at that time Nielsen was even tipped up to go very well in 1980 in the Lee year.The GPS is an enjoyable event to watch, but some of those past greats would of won more titles in that format.Because for me to win a one off final was harder to do than win over a season.

Your comment about Erik/Hans is a strange one at that time they were both learning there craft paying there dues also Nielsen at that time was picked by some to win a title so he at the time was more than just promising.Those two as examples would of found the Gps an easy experience now,semis most meeting's finalists regular a different pressure but an easier one in my opinion as a mistake in one round now is not terminal.

Nonsense and i did not select that group but it was a pretty good one.But everyone is entitled to THERE OPINION right! so what you have said is not FACT so please don't mention that word.

The standard then was higher whatever you say,no doubt in my mind,and a rider like Schwartz now would have a field day in the EL.The GP series this year for example is missing at least three top class riders Emil,Laguta,Ward so this year is not the strongest like some of the one off finals.In my opinion Mauger,Briggs,Fundin would of won more titles in a GP format and looking at it NIelsen he could of won at least 8 world titles.?The one off final was harder to win in my opinion real pressure tough qualifying rounds and it took a different quality to win it so dont underestimate how tough it was. Pretty good,fifteen world championship title wins in amongst that lot.

Are you serious? or is it a tongue in cheek comment.?

Yes you are right Crump we all felt can he win it can he get over the winning line?.I still maintain Crump was the better rider,also others who know better than me Ricko had luck with the gates (ect) the rules in the GP then were different to now alot different.Ricko was not a rider i took too brilliant of course so i am bias,Crump and Gollob in his era for me were as good as him.Do you judge riders by titles i don't, Rickardsson has six titles but i would put Crump/ Gollob on his level and if you judged him against Briggs,Fundin,Mauger,he does well to get in the top six.