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Been plenty of talk about Kl getting the final hardly massive crowds for the finals ....to be fair it's a final that no one really wants and and it's no big deal if you get it .

Why would it be the only Stadium ? It's been at Smellmead in the past for god sake ...Hardly a big thing to get the final .

Great to see that Belle Vue have a new stadium just a shame it's not going to be what was promised ...Maybe there have the Pl pairs there etc

Let's been honest after all the hype not only this stadium going to be 5 years late it's just going to be a run of the mill type of place . Not the envy of the world ,as were told .

I Think they left it to that father figure Muddlo

Rat Trap ?

Surely the main thing about having the set race night on a Monday it's to make sure that teams are at full strength rather that the sort of team Eastie are putting up tonight at Poole .. if it has the added bonus of making teams stronger then all well and good .

Been say before no fans don't care about any kind of play offs that don't include a title being on the line . First in the league is no doubt the fairest way but without the play offs the season and crowds would just die as most teams won't nothing to race for .Look at Swindon matches for the rest of the season we have something to race for in a first past the post season rather than having nowt to race for and the crowds falling and putting the club in danger of going under .. Saying that I really dislike the format of the pl play offs should just do the same as the el and have 4 teams and have two semi's and a final .

Not sure why you keep moving the goalposts and start talking about Value etc your first post on the subject was that top riders don't bring in extra fans . The simple fact is Emil when he rode brought more fans in . Any amount of your Child like name calling and losing your temper is not going to change that .

I agree with most of that . My main point was that Poole have not always been a well supported club .

It not always pay it bills thou ? the clubs been poorly supported and nearly gone bust before ...it's area and destination did not do much for it then did it . As I said it's club that has risen from the ashes to be the biggest club in the uk and the best example you can get of how to run a speedway club bar Matt Ford bending the rules of course ...

Does it ? I think it exposes you as Poole have not always been well supported as any speedway fan will tell you . The club used to be dump but as now risen to be the best club and best supported club in the uk ...I would say it would the best example you can have of what a club at speedway as a whole could do if run well .

Yet again one of the facts was about Emil when he was brought in at Cov the crowds went up ...not only is it fact you have agreed with it and have said yourself "Of course Emil brought crowds in ...so not sure want you want ? Do Poole put on about 400 people when they are town ? seeing I go and you don't I would yet again that's a fact . As for Andersen you said we will be able to retain the likes of him to the league ..so explain to us how in a north and south league running 7 days a week with lower pay how he or his like would or want to be retained ?

Not at all ..you ask me for examples and facts and I gave you them and then you made a statement that back them up about emil . Yore vision is a vision of the past I guess you miss out bringing back the golden helmet midland cup etc / your post is bound to be liked by the standard 70's and 80's fans and says it all really . The best bit of course is thinking that Hans etc are all going to give up Poland , Sweden ,Euro champs Denmark etc and also take a pay cut to ride in the Uk north and south league ...what world are you in ? . As for Test matches they died a death years ago as fans and riders don't want them .

Yet again why do you keep going back to the money side ?it had nothing to do with the simple fact that you said that top riders don't bring crowds in . Being able to afford them is another debate The biggest laugh of course is you saying me that Emil was a bad example of the point I was making . Only for you in your next breath you to say in that he did indeed brings extra fans in .

You forgot to add in one off world finals and second halfs ...all the above are tired and dated and mostly dead formats that died out years ago . How wold retain Andersen and Pedersen etc ? are going to let them off riding Sweden on Tuesdays Denmark on Wednesdays Euro champ meetings etc etc ...and how would you paid for them with the crowds cut in half ? Love the north and south plan meaning that you would not see some of the riders the whole season .

Why are trying to move the goal posts ? the money demanded and if the clubs can afford such riders is another subject all together and one we have already gone over . My reply was to your crazy statement that crowds won't go up no matter what because people don't care who's riding . As for facts you only have to look at the last time Emil rode for cove the crowds went way up home and away I remember the crowd at brum that night etc he was a massive draw . Yet again it's madness to think that crowds would not be bigger if Emil and Gollob were in the el

Yet again an untrue statement certain teams will always be able to afford certain riders due there income . Poole are able to pay the likes of Ward and Holder and still make a profit while Glasgow and Boro can't afford to pay anyone who are on much lower pay .

More silly comments ...The fact of the matter no what the numbers a crowd will go up if a better team or riders turn up it's just pure common sense ..A better question to ask cov or ippo fans is do you think more fans would go if Gollob or Emil were in there sides .. of course using your crazy logic that no cares who rides the answer is bound to be no .

Wrong Morris wanted to ride in Two leagues ...If he was to ride for Sheff if would meant leaving Swindon and doubling up with the Lions to avoid a clash of race nights . At the end the day Morris was going to start as a EL rider only at Swindon intill the rebels change of mind about Proctor . But people have said on here that people don't care about team line up's ? Falace has told us people turn up no matter who's riding .

When did anyone say things were Brilliant ? i think you got to pretty naïve thou to think the size of the crowd is not effected by the standard of the side or riders you are facing . Maybe we get 400 more fans every time Poole are in town because people like the colour blue . Not at all any sport without tv money would have a lower standard but unless it happens or it's going to happen then it's pointless talking about it .

? the only league to pay riders a lot more than they should . As I have to keep pointed it's what you can afford . Glasgow and Boro both who are pl by the way at this time are finding it hard to paid riders meaning that the budget they had means that they were paying to much . No doubt Newport another Pl team were paying the line up they had the correct amount on the 250 fans they were getting ?

Not having a pop at the pl just pointing out that the same things can happen in each league .

No match of late when in the PL that a team has had 4 guests in then ? no doubt riders don't get stuck in traffic in the PL as well .

I Don't think your find anyone who would say that Speedway has been run well at El level or indeed that the standard has not dropped . in 10 years thou I would say that crowds have dropped all round no matter what the league .