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You forgot to add in one off world finals and second halfs ...all the above are tired and dated and mostly dead formats that died out years ago . How wold retain Andersen and Pedersen etc ? are going to let them off riding Sweden on Tuesdays Denmark on Wednesdays Euro champ meetings etc etc ...and how would you paid for them with the crowds cut in half ? Love the north and south plan meaning that you would not see some of the riders the whole season .

Why are trying to move the goal posts ? the money demanded and if the clubs can afford such riders is another subject all together and one we have already gone over . My reply was to your crazy statement that crowds won't go up no matter what because people don't care who's riding . As for facts you only have to look at the last time Emil rode for cove the crowds went way up home and away I remember the crowd at brum that night etc he was a massive draw . Yet again it's madness to think that crowds would not be bigger if Emil and Gollob were in the el

Yet again an untrue statement certain teams will always be able to afford certain riders due there income . Poole are able to pay the likes of Ward and Holder and still make a profit while Glasgow and Boro can't afford to pay anyone who are on much lower pay .

More silly comments ...The fact of the matter no what the numbers a crowd will go up if a better team or riders turn up it's just pure common sense ..A better question to ask cov or ippo fans is do you think more fans would go if Gollob or Emil were in there sides .. of course using your crazy logic that no cares who rides the answer is bound to be no .

Wrong Morris wanted to ride in Two leagues ...If he was to ride for Sheff if would meant leaving Swindon and doubling up with the Lions to avoid a clash of race nights . At the end the day Morris was going to start as a EL rider only at Swindon intill the rebels change of mind about Proctor . But people have said on here that people don't care about team line up's ? Falace has told us people turn up no matter who's riding .

When did anyone say things were Brilliant ? i think you got to pretty naïve thou to think the size of the crowd is not effected by the standard of the side or riders you are facing . Maybe we get 400 more fans every time Poole are in town because people like the colour blue . Not at all any sport without tv money would have a lower standard but unless it happens or it's going to happen then it's pointless talking about it .

? the only league to pay riders a lot more than they should . As I have to keep pointed it's what you can afford . Glasgow and Boro both who are pl by the way at this time are finding it hard to paid riders meaning that the budget they had means that they were paying to much . No doubt Newport another Pl team were paying the line up they had the correct amount on the 250 fans they were getting ?

Not having a pop at the pl just pointing out that the same things can happen in each league .

No match of late when in the PL that a team has had 4 guests in then ? no doubt riders don't get stuck in traffic in the PL as well .

I Don't think your find anyone who would say that Speedway has been run well at El level or indeed that the standard has not dropped . in 10 years thou I would say that crowds have dropped all round no matter what the league .

Really silly comment it's quite clear if a Ward or a Woffy come to town then the crowd going to be bigger , just pure common sense . Swindon crowds are nearly always based upon what the oppo side is like . As for being able to afford riders as I said before It's all about money going in and out that's why Poole can afford to Pay Ward and teams like Glasgow and Boro can't even paid there riders even thou they have much lower wages . This great plan of cutting costs and making the standard lower is the same plan for the last 20 years and that is why we find ourselves in the state we are in now . ??? Boro can even paid there wages and are begging fans to attend . Tell me how well Brum did in money terms in the Pl last time . How are Glasgow getting on ? One day people will wake up and understand that Speedway is not working at any level and that includes pl . .

So a Euro game over two legs is not a played on a football pitch a moment a go you told us that a gd rule could happen in any form of football.. the fact is that it does . Why are you trying to result to pointless insults by the way ? if going act like a child by doing this and lose your temper then don't get into a debate in the first place .

But in football in the Euro cup goals can count double ...if going to start to use sporting analogy you need to start brushing up on your home work other wise your look silly .

Sorry where is it in this post that I defend it .I said it no more mickey mouse than the old rule what it is . And that my friend is the point I was making . if don't like unfair and crazy rules then can't like one and not the other . Thanks for proving my point .

Yet again I never said the new rule was fair . I told you 3 times now. How you can say the old rule was fair when one sides riders could have more rides than the other side is amazing

Yet again what you say has nothing to do with the point I am making .Either you like a rule that gives us false results or you don't the bottom line both rules are unfair to the other side who are winning fair and square . What do you mean it never gave closer scores ? are you saying there was not one match in the history of speedway that a tac sub never made a score closer ? the idea of any tac /joker or double points is to make a match more closer of course that's not say that some teams are going to still win by 25-30 points does it ?

To be fair I am a fan of the old tac rule and the new double points rule I think speedway need them to make the match more exciteing but not the World cup joker as people getting beat on purpose is just to much . Scoring double points is no more mickey mouse that being to able to replace your number 7 with a world champion in heat 8 .

I never defended the new rule and never said that it never gave out false results . My point was quite clear if you moan about silly rules then don't defend the old tac sub rule . So what do you think the old tac sub rule did ? it gave you a closely contested finale ..Yet again thou because it was in the older days you found it ok ?

Double points in the uk does not use any joker thou .

But people are on about crazy rules and the giving it as one of the reasons they go on anyone ..as I said you can't get a rule that is more crazy rule than tac subs as it gave out false results . The bottom line it's just old fans who moan about anything new and just pine for anything from when they used to go .it has liitle do with being unfair or crazy as your post shows . You got to laugh the same people who moan about the jokers in the world cup tend to be the same people who thought the tac sub was great

Sorry in what way did the old rule work ? your telling me that teams with 3 heat leaders in the old days never had a massive advantage when it came using tac subs ? jesus youcould even used double tac sub in heat 8 ! the bottom line and the main point is that the old sub rule gave out more false results and that what always make it more crazy and unfair .

He been told he has to Ride For Coventry next season .

I Hear he drunk a bottle of Vodka ..not sure what he done with the empty bottle thou .

The double points rules you can only score a max of 6 points and you have 10 points down and even more to used it twice . tell me how many could you score from the old tac rule . You could also had extra rides and also bring in say the World champion for you number 7 in a race . Also if you look at the stats you find that more match results were changed because of the old tac rule . This is why it's the biggest laugh when the old fans moan about crazy rules but then say they liked the old tac rule . I thik it just adds fuel the fire that old fans just like things from there days rather than how fair it is .

You have gone on about people being turned off by crazy rules then you ask for the tac sub the most crazy and most unfair of the lot to be brought back . In Football both team have the same choices in bringing subs on at anytime no matter what the score is but in Speedway only the team that is 6 points or more can, hardly fair is it ? . If you don't like crazy rules on any tac subs then fair enough but you post is pointless if you then ask for the tac sub rule to be brought back . I hardly ever agree with White Knight on most things but at least he's made it quite clear he wants no form of tac subs or jokers double points etc .