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Same as on Poole thread but Who would Plymouth have selected if they had the choice between the two had they both wanted to come. Have Plymouth benefited by the fact Poole have taken Lawson ?

I’ll ask the same question on the Plymouth thread but Who would Plymouth have selected if they had the choice between the two had they both wanted to come. Have Plymouth benefited by the fact Poole have taken Lawson ?

Hans Anderson - In Richard Lawson - Out

But that’s the issue, why can’t fans have the latest green sheet average straight away. always feel something isn’t right when things are hidden and delayed.

Completely agree. To keep the interest in speedway during the off season averages should be clear and obvious allowing people to build teams with knowing the riders averages. Even with the 2.5% Brit reduction it should be clear and obvious. create a bit of excitement in the off season. It’s a unique sport that you can build teams like this and that should be something to build upon to gain further interest in the sport.

1 - Richard Lawson - 8.51 2 - Alfie Bowtell - 4.77 3 - Edward Kennet - 7.18 or 8.40 4 - 5 - MPT - 7.33 6 - 7 - Henry Atkins - 2:00 Leaves…. 12.21 left or 10.99….. depending on if they use Kennets average pre Eastbourne or post Eastbourne ( 7.18 is post Eastbourne average ) 12.21 add Barker to the set up at 6.87 would leave 5.34. If It’s 10.99 and you add Barker it’s 4.12 then Rumul at reserve possibly. Newman pre Eastbourne would be on a 5.03 average. Leaving 5.96

He would just be a 12.

You were saying…….

Plymouth releasing the other two heat leaders tomoz at 6pm. silhouettes on the Gladiators Facebook page. If anybody can hazard a guess.

1 - Richard Lawson - 8.51 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - Alfie Bowtell - 4.77 7 - Henry Atkins - 2* ( to be confirmed I assume and on average of rising star ) Ben Barker - 6.87 Tom Brennan - 6.31 Adam Roynan - 5.07 Cameron heeps - 4.95 Edward Kenneth - 7.18 Ricky wells - 6.70 Kyle Newman 5.43 MPT - 7.33 Danny king - 8.98 Dillon Rumul - 4.00 Brock nicol - 5.50 Scott Nichols - 8.9 zane Keleher - 4.15 Zach cook - 4.40 Lawson, Atkins And Bowtell = 25.72 left

Great rider around Plymouth and if it was just a result business for Ben Barker I think he would be superb. the issue I have is his machinery and how he seems to have a bit of an ego around Plymouth. again I’d love for him to prove me wrong, and as you say the points he scores is very good but would someone like palm toft score nearly as many and be more of a team player ?

1 - Richard Lawson - 8.51 2 - Alfie Bowtell - 4.77 3 - MPT - 7.33 4 - Kyle Newman - 5.43 5 - Danny king - 8.95 6 - Anders Rowe - 3.98 7 - Henry Atkins - 2* ( to be confirmed I assume ) Think I’d go along those lines. 41 points exact if that’s a potential limit. I would like Brennan but think he’s unrealistic. Also Nicol and heeps but think they will be on most teams radars as well.

As examples….. ( I know these are not necessarily realistic but using as examples) brady Kurtz… what would his champ avg be ? 2021 prem average - 7.35 2017 chanp average - 7.65 I assume you’d times it by 1.5 meaning he would be on an 11 average ?! Or would he be on his old champ average ?

Looking at possible team members for next season and scrolling threw previous Greensheets. Few questions, if anyone can help…. 1) if a rider hasn’t rode in the championahip but rode in the premiership last year how do you convert the average ? 2) if a rider rode in the championship the season before last would it be that average used ? Further on from that if they rode in the championship 2 years ago but prem last year would you use the old average or converted average ?! Any help be appreciated

Agreed I think Bowtell is on a 6.78 average next year ( could be very wrong, but his green sheet Column for a guest is 7.33 take 5% for home advantage then take 2.5% for being British) 1 - Lawson - 8.73 2 - 3 - Bowtell - 6.78 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - Atkins - rising star 2* based on 41 point last season means remaining is……. 23.49 for 4 riders

Bowtell returns

Just to open up discussions….. Are there any riders that people think are on low enough averages to improve considerably ? on to high averages that teams will find difficult to get them in ? any foreign riders that may realistically sign in the championship ?

Any clues

Riders that spring to mind and depending on limits and things. bowtell atkins crump cook kelleher Rumul king lawson harris barker Just say we have to have to build the same as we did last year so 41 points including a reserve from the graded riders. easiest choice is number 7 and that will be Atkins. Should imagine on a 2* as he was last year possibly a 1* if he’s been out for a few months. Lawson is confirmed so that’s 2 riders. personally I’d look at king and Harris next both big points but I think that we would ha e enough as a whole to get threw meetings. so currently I have…. 1 - Danny King - 9.22 2 - 3 - Chris Harris - 7.89 4 - 5 - Richard Lawson - 8.73 6 - 7 - Atkins - 2* Total - 27.84 Remaining - 13.16 Wishing Bowtell is on a 3* ( possibly 4* reserve list ) wishful thinking I know as I think Bowtell is on a 6 now which seems high but I do really like him, it would be a struggle to have him away from home as a 6 point rider. Main reason I didn’t put him in any teams is because I’ve no idea what average he is on as he’s down as 3*. I’ 1 - Danny King - 9.22 2 - 3 - Chris Harris - 7.89 4 - 5 - Richard Lawson - 8.73 6 - Bowtell - 3*/4* 7 - Atkins - 2* Total - 30.84 or 31.84 Remaining - 10.16 or 9.16 if it’s 10.16 I’d go, Newman and Rumul/Zane or Barker/3.01 rider. if it’s 9.16 I’d go maybe Rumul and Zane The other way to go is take a gamble that barker is going to be committed and have reliable equipment. If he does and bowtell is still a 3* reserve is go….. 1 - Lawson - 8.73 2 - 3 - Barker - 7.05 4 - 5 - Harris - 7.89 6 - Bowtell - 3* 7 - Atkins - 2* This would leave 12.33 for the final two positions. Could go….. 11.98 - Wells and Newman 11.33/11.48 - Palm Toft and Rumul/Kelaher 12.14 - Roynan and Crump

It’s a shame that with the state speedway is on still want to take digs at other tracks. I can assure you that Plymouth fans, riders, helpers and anyone in Plymouth have loved this season and could t be happier. I’ve loved this season involved with Plymouth and there’s a real buzz around the place and excitement for next year. Plymouth will be a big team next year and have success. crowd was 850 last night I believe and the season high was just under 1000 vs Birmingham. Crowds have grown and grown this season as stated by mark in his after match interview last night. The issue is when people can write as they wish on a forum it’s easier to talk rubbish and hide when you have an agenda against someone. id full support all tracks and not put them down every time because sooner or later promoters/fans/managers/riders will get sick off the rubbish online and jack it in and then before you know it you’ll have no teams to take aim and dig at. what’s your actual issue with Plymouth speedway ?! what do you do to help speedway clubs ? I have no idea who you are for all I know you could be a promoter, rider, manager or a fan but I’m Intreagued. for what it’s worth I hope it’s a good crowd and good meeting at Poole tonight and fans go away happy and return.

Credit where credit is due Plymouth and Mark in particular have proved everyone wrong this year. They joined in late, set up the team so that they could get decent crowds in all season and cemented the club for next year. people gave them no hope and they go into the last 3/4 meetings with a slim chance to get there. Bringing in Lawson gives that slim chance a bit stronger and may also look towards next season with possibly signing Lawson next season. I believe this team would have happened earlier but crumps injury didn’t allow it. it would have been a lot earlier this change happened and Plymouth would have been even stronger all season. there’s a chance they get in to the play offs and if they do they could win it.

Plymouth have 6.98 spare with new averages. Should Eastbourne not finish the season and riders released, id be going….. 1 - Pedersen 2 - Rumul could easily be cook 3 - Crump 4 - Kheller 5 - Lawson 6 - Edwards 7 - Bowtell still leaves 2.11 spare to use could swap for example Cooke or zane for Tom Brennan or Kyle Newman. other options could be riders riding in Poland that have finished there season and have not made the play offs no idea who I’m sure others could say. suppose it depends if Plymouth have an outside chance of the play offs if Eastbourne pull out

So today the true set of averages come out for Plymouth and sees Jason crump on a new average off 6.98. This is something I believe Plymouth were hoping that would happen at the start of the season and means they have around 4.96 to spare. Bringing in a rider in place (for example) of one of the riders on a 4 would give 8.96 spare. A rider under that average would include someone like Lawson. This would give the support needed to Jason and Bjarne. Be interesting to see if they change the line up or keep it as they are with minimal meetings left.

Is quite funny that ! Unlucky really crump got injured as could have had a few points to spare with to tinker the team with and strengthen. I think Plymouth’s team next year could be very good now they have survived this year and got Gary may in, personally I think Gary is going to make a huge difference.

Heat 14 if you can watch is a must watch. The pass from bowtell and same were superb. also zane to hold off masters and Worrall in heat 15 was superb.