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For what it’s worth my input on last nights meeting…… 1) superb meeting both on and off the track 2) the New Plymouth lads are starting to show that they have the ability to battle with the top boys 3) bowtell unreal and for me cook really looked on the pace and that he will be the best of the three new lads. Rumul will follow and unfortunatly goret as it stands is a bit behind. 4) this rubbish about saying it’s a select 7 is rubbish. It is a team due to injury that was put together for Berwick to beat they couldn’t and Plymouth won. 5) if every meeting was a blow out and won 70-20 every meeting it would boring. The Plymouth team is made up of two stars in pedersen and crump who will draw the crowds. Atkins would have gained a lot of local support and the other 4 boys are you g and hungry and you can see how desperate they are to do well. Fans recognise when riders want to do well and appreciate it. They also see it as someone to watch and encourage and willing to do better. I think the biggest roar of encouragement from the crowd is when one of the new boys gates and gets in front and stays there and wins. Much more than pedersen. 6) Gary May is going to make a huge difference to this team without doubt. 7) I think people need to show Plymouth a bit more respect than is currently being given saying that a team should be embarrassed by losing to them. 8) it’s unfortunate about the ticket situation however it’s the times we live in at the moment. Part of me highly doubts that the number will be Mark’s phone number even if it is the chance of him being able to answer it between 2-6 on a race night is extremely unlikely with the amount of work going on before hand. Hopefully come 21st June we will be a bit more free. However not sure much blame can be given to the promotion for this. 9) the fans from who I heard loved the meeting, loved the food, the presentation of the evening, the stands and the cherry on top was the result. personally I think big things will happen in Plymouth over the next few years with surely one of the hardest working promoters in the sport. The change to the stadium and from national league to premier is huge.

King in for crump

Personally I think Plymouth will struggle to begin with but once they strengthen when the averages of all rides drop (after is it 3 home and 3 away meetings ?! ) think they will pick up

As a Plymouth fan I think we are in an almost win win situation..... we have 2 huge names at the top and several riders that are going to learn and work as hard as they can. now the win win part..... everyone hits the ground running.... perfect if people struggle then after 4 home and 4 away meetings a new set of averages are out and I can imagine Plymouth will more than likely have a few points spare to play with when this happens.

You are correct, tried working out via the confirmed signings thread up the top and did t realise they already took Atkins average off.

I could be very wrong but I work it out as 3.62. If Rumul and cook come in on 4 each.

There’s 6 at-least that were born in California .... Broc Nicol Dillon Rumul Max Rumul Wilbur Hancock Gino manzereas Ryan Fisher no idea on averages and if they have a team place, that will probably help eliminate 2 or 3.

My guess would be..... Alfie Bowtell And Zack Cook cook would be a 4 average anyone know what bowtells championship average ?!

Can’t upload the picture but two silhouette on the gladiators social media off two more riders being announced tomorrow one at 8 and one at 12. ones an international rider and ones British, have a look and see who you think.

Unfortunately you maybe disillusioned but speedway is NOT a big sport in the UK at the moment and if you think putting a race track in the middle of a field is going to get supporters in just because the track is big is far from the truth. you exspect the sport to survive on people that go just because they want to see a good race and that’s it is million miles from feesable. you now need to make it a package to come and watch speedway. You need there to be music, entertainment, things for kids to do, you need competitions, good toilet facilities, good drinking and eating facilities. Of course you need good racing too but that’s not going to bring fans in alone. Plymouth is growing as club because a magnitude of things..... 1) the mascot kids love it, if kids are happy so are parents. 2) the track is now being brought up to a good standard 3) the announcer does a great job of keeping everything up to date and the new people informed as well as the more experienced supporter. 4) they have made new stands and seating areas that are much more pleasurable to go on. 5) the food bar serves some brilliant food now especially the curry that is made from the Indian up the road ! 6) this year the team has big names people will want to come and see them 7) the team will have one or two fans favourites people will want to come and see them. 8) you can get close to the action to watch, Litterally on top of it at the back straight. The place isn’t the NSS but it’s never going to be after the amount of money spent on it. BUT my god they are trying to make it a family fun day/evening out and a respectable stadium and club and personally I think it’s working and Plymouth are very much a team on the up. unfortunately I think you have something against Plymouth speedway I don't know why nor do I care. For what it’s worth I enjoyed going to stoke the last time Plymouth went, the track was about 3 inch deep in sludge and yeah it wasn’t great sat on cracked steps with weeds coming up or the fact that you can’t walk around the track and get close to the action, but that’s what made stoke Stoke same when I’ve been wolves, Coventry etc they have something unique and special about them.

This may not be the correct way to go but it’s just some thoughts I had whilst in lockdown on a Sunday evening. unfortunately the sports on its arse I believe because..... The rules change every year without fail imagine if the rules changed in football every year no one would accept it. the teams change every year because if they do well you have to change. You do well you are punished. How can fans especially new fans get a bond with riders that change every year. the next two for me are the biggest.... promotion and relegation and this for me is the second biggest reason speedway will never grow. How can promotion and relegation be based on what a few people at the top of the table think should be relegated and who shouldn’t. That links in to the biggest reason how can people who OWN TEAMS in the league ever make unbiased choices that doesn’t give an advantage to their team. I think it’s crazy that the league is ran by people who are not Independent. I think the speedway in order to improve needs....... clear relegation rules between 2 divisions. Scrap the national league BUT every team must run a second half meeting team ( how many in the two teams I don’t know ) could say 6 in the main meeting and 4 in the non elite meeting. Within the junior meeting 2 must be under 21 or some sort of limit. This way they get the benefit of being in and around the pits with guys who are experienced and learning without the need to take up a team spot. I think two leagues only would work. From division two, the Top team goes up and the next 4 play off for the final promotion spot. 1st v 4th and 2nd v 3rd play home and away, winners play for other for the final spot. Now yes teams may not be able to afford the best riders in the league but that’s not the challenge for them the challenge is to stay in the league. Or get promoted. riders can only ride for their club not two just one. I think riders having two averages should be scrapped and that one unique average for each rider should be there’s and there’s only. there will be a league trophy cup competition and a dual league trophy competition so the so called smaller clubs get the chance to race against the big boys and try it out. the league is run by independent people that do not own the clubs or have any involvement with clubs making the best choices for the sport as apposed for themselves. in terms of applying for the league every new team can enter, but they start in the bottom league of this league gets two big then this league ONLY gets split at the end of the season based on the top half and bottom half. Teams can’t ask for relegation or promotion and if they finish in those particular places they go up or down. If you are a smaller team with a smaller budget getting pushed up cause you won be happy and your challenge is to build a team that allows you to finish outside the bottom 2. Scrap rider ownership by random clubs. The team the rider rides for is owned by that club. They can be bought/released during the season as transfer or you release the registration and is a free agent. You can also own any riders in the second team you put on. There will be a trophy for the and this will be the development league trophy. Speedway needs to take opinions out of the running there is to many opinions allowing things to change. every thing will be fact. What average is he everyone knows. If he’s British fine give him a reduction, he’s missed one season without riding at all fine he gets a reduction. The reduction could be 2% per season for a maximum of 3 seasons. every rider who has raced British speedway will get an updated average regularly. Personally I’d do this after every week. This will be done on one green sheet and supporters will be able to see what every riders worth is with out looking. Is he A new Aussie, USA etc fine 4 or 5 average. British fine can be a 3. Any rider can ride in any league it’s up to the club to attract them. You have a wage budget/limit for each league. This means the top league teams should be stronger. Only issue with this is the dual cup competition but this adds to the fantasy off say a smaller team beating a bigger team. there’s many more questions to this and probably people will disagree but just thought during lockdown I’d post my thoughts on British speedway.

Unfortunately this thread is just becoming petty and I see more grown up conversations in the playground. completely wrong that both of you have said either a stadium should close or you think the stadium is rubbish because it doesn’t suit how you want it to be. the unique thing about speedway is the different styles of tracks some huge and some small and technical. I for one have seen some great racing at Plymouth and both other tracks all over The UK I’ve visited. unfortunately the sports on its arse I believe because..... The rules change every year without fail imagine if the rules changed in football every year no one would accept it. the teams change every year because if they do well you have to change. You do well you are punished. How can fans especially new fans get a bond with riders that change every year. the next two for me are the biggest.... promotion and relegation and this for me is the second biggest reason speedway will never grow. How can promotion and relegation be based on what a few people at the top of the table think should be relegated and who shouldn’t. That links in to the biggest reason how can people who OWN TEAMS in the league ever make unbiased choices that doesn’t give an advantage to their team. I think it’s crazy that the league is ran by people who are not Independent. I think the speedway in order to improve needs....... clear relegation rules between 2 divisions. Scrap the national league BUT every team must run a second half meeting team ( how many in the two teams I don’t know ) could say 6 in the main meeting and 4 in the non elite meeting. Within the junior meeting 2 must be under 21 or some sort of limit. This way they get the benefit of being in and around the pits with guys who are experienced and learning without the need to take up a team spot. I think two leagues only would work. From division two, the Top team goes up and the next 4 play off for the final promotion spot. 1st v 4th and 2nd v 3rd play home and away, winners play for other for the final spot. Now yes teams may not be able to afford the best riders in the league but that’s not the challenge for them the challenge is to stay in the league. Or get promoted. riders can only ride for their club not two just one. I think riders having two averages should be scrapped and that one unique average for each rider should be there’s and there’s only. there will be a league trophy cup competition and a dual league trophy competition so the so called smaller clubs get the chance to race against the big boys and try it out. the league is run by independent people that do not own the clubs or have any involvement with clubs making the best choices for the sport as apposed for themselves. in terms of applying for the league every new team can enter, but they start in the bottom league of this league gets two big then this league ONLY gets split at the end of the season based on the top half and bottom half. Teams can’t ask for relegation or promotion and if they finish in those particular places they go up or down. If you are a smaller team with a smaller budget getting pushed up cause you won be happy and your challenge is to build a team that allows you to finish outside the bottom 2. Scrap rider ownership by random clubs. The team the rider rides for is owned by that club. They can be bought/released during the season as transfer or you release the registration and is a free agent. You can also own any riders in the second team you put on. There will be a trophy for the and this will be the development league trophy. Speedway needs to take opinions out of the running there is to many opinions allowing things to change. every thing will be fact. What average is he everyone knows. If he’s British fine give him a reduction, he’s missed one season without riding at all fine he gets a reduction. The reduction could be 2% per season for a maximum of 3 seasons. every rider who has raced British speedway will get an updated average regularly. Personally I’d do this after every week. This will be done on one green sheet and supporters will be able to see what every riders worth is with out looking. Is he A new Aussie, USA etc fine 4 or 5 average. British fine can be a 3. Any rider can ride in any league it’s up to the club to attract them. You have a wage budget/limit for each league. This means the top league teams should be stronger. Only issue with this is the dual cup competition but this adds to the fantasy off say a smaller team beating a bigger team. there’s many more questions to this and probably people will disagree but just thought during lockdown I’d post my thoughts on British speedway.

Stoneman Atkins Herbie hancock (5 point average ?!) then one other

The silhouette of the rider being announced tomorrow looks like Bjarne Pedersen.

An announcement today in regards to Plymouth

An announcement to be made today

Some really interesting comments on this post and it’s nice for us Plymouth fans to be able to post on the championship part of the forum. the idea of crump going around the SBA is big but points allowed could be a stumbling point. I think it would be harsh to have a go at us if we were not to put together a strong team considering most riders have already been put together a year ago. Even Barker signed elsewhere for a guarantee pay check as it’s still not confirmed by the BSPA we are in this league. I think the league are crazy that they haven't snapped Plymouth’s hand off to be in the league. I think mark has been one of the most committed people to speedway over the last few years and the time and effort he’s put in deserved reward. He built a big new stand that cost good money he put a very competitive team together for last season national league team. ive no doubt Plymouth with mark and mattie will put together a strong team even with the handicap of having to build the team a year after everyone else. I think Atkins would be a good shout apart from that I’m going to need to check the confirmed teams to see who’s available.

the first 5 names are....1-Alfie bowtell - 9.24?2- Henry Atkins -5.863- Richard Andrews - 6.55 4- ?5- Nathan Stoneman - 8.22 6- Sheldon Davies 3.00?7- ?Personally think what a superb start to team building ! Believe this totals 32.87 leaving 6.13 potentially for team building ? Read more: http://plymouthdevils.proboards.com/thread/10068/national-league-team-2020#ixzz68I9OMMy6

Plymouth’s main body of the team is also being realeased today at 5pm

http://plymouthdevils.proboards.com/thread/10075/rider-rode-plymouth-plymouths-average For anyone that’s interested on the Plymouth forum I worked out the statics for last season for every home and away rider at the arena. This was inspired by the film moneyball based on a real story with a baseball club who bought players on pure stats. interestingly working on stats throws a team up that would be different to the one I would normally have.

Obviously don’t visit the Plymouth fourum then.

Very good point. If you are in a strong group may as well stop your season at the start having have to play them more. Better of having a 20 team league playing each other home and away once. Then once the league has finished the top 10 go in to the premiership play off final 1 v 10, 2 v 9 etc etc. Then winner of that is the premiership champion. The other 10 will then compete for the championship crown. 11th vs 20th and so on and so on. Only one team per rider no doubling up etc. Each team must then Also have a junior team of NDL standard riders ( 4 per team ) to compete in the meeting afterwards. 3 riders must be under 21 the 4th can be any age. But the team should help being around all the other riders and learning off them. Should any of your riders be unavailable apart from 1 and 5 you can only use from your Devleopment team. ( but can move your team around so that they go into reserve.

But they should be able to make a choice now. The point is however It shouldn’t even come down to if newcastle can and if Plymouth can’t. For the future of speedway all teams should be accepted where they wanted Imagine the up roar if Poole were told to stay in the premiership making it an 8 team league. And Plymouth getting promoted to the championship. Unfortuntly it seems if you are not a “big” team you not of use.

What’s the what’s the point in the AGM then ? The clubs knew that they had to say if they could or could not compete in the league they wish next season. If newcastle cant commit then how can they be allowed to be in the championship. Its also hardly fair on Plymouth to be told they could be national league now and then suddenly 2/3 months down the line to be told they are championship and being that far behind all the other teams. Speedway needs an independent control board.