Crump99

An admission that they made a cock up on kicking out and alienating their disabled customers and have had a rethink for 2020 at the very least.

Sounds like the ideal candidate to carry out Personal Independent Payment assessments. Lot's of horrors stories there regarding assessors who haven't got a scooby about the difficulties that the disabled face, especially when being assessed under controlled circumstances when they can't see its affects as in daily living.

He has though got the page count up and kept the thread prominent, as well as allowing those of us with some understanding of the subject to educate those with a narrower view, so he had his uses although given the ignorance and abuse I'd have sacrificed those benefits. That may have been his strategy all along, it'd take a brave person to work out the logic in that individual.

Not necessarily, even if you can walk the distance but show difficulties around general discomfort for reasons that you define and evidence (whether that be physical and/or mental (anxiety, depression, dementia etc)) as well as potential safety to yourself and others then you may be able to get a BB. In fact the recognition of hidden disabilities was added to the criteria last August. The loons gonna have a helluva job with that - sit back and get some popcorn

They've been asked to clarify whether that related to the disabled tweet or the one about not having a team? But in true notice output only social media fashion we're in tumbleweed mode.

I can't work out whether the loon is against the disabled or making the case for them by skilfully putting up these so called solutions to a self created problem that the club needs to reconsider; rather being known as disability and family unfriendly club that is now happy to alienate and lose supporters under the management he's bigging up for its competence in saving the club and the sport in general.

That's true. As for mental health, never assume that people are ok no matter what their demeanour, and do practice the always ask twice technique when asking if someone is ok. We all say yes as standard for 99% of the time but if you ask again "Are you really ok?" then you may get a different answer. Tragic loss.

Here's an idea (yes I'm still awake before anothor of you hilarious observations), there's plenty of room inside the Showground so how about letting our disabled customers park inside so that intelligencia such as yourself don't have to raid their Viz Top Tips notebook of suggestions?

You really are a 'div' aren't you? But that would clarify the job that you claim to have. Who's Mark Twain? Jeez, ever heard of Google? Your understanding of disabilty is laughable. I said that the petition wasn't the best idea that Neil's ever had, but on reflection, it created a thread that the club shouldn't be proud of in it's 50th year and kept the topic going and ruffled some feathers so fair play to him. I don't know and don't care whether he has an agenda or not, has always be ok with me so I have no problem with him, apart from defending Horton's "please be upstanding for the National anthem". The only relevant bit in Chapman taking over the club is that this uneccesary discussion is taking place. Anything else on that subject deflects from the topic. Anyway, must go because it's work in the morning. You better do likewise because those cardboard dividers won't put themselves into those boxes will they?

I called you ignorant the other day and that's another gem that shows that you should be nowhere near this discussion: Mark Twain: It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt.

If BB parking was causing a genuine concern then why not communicate via PA, websites, programme etc first regarding the issues and explain the consequences of ignoring such advice. Between identified problem and draconian solution there is a middle bit of the process that we've totally ignored. Also, were these abusers all BB holders? I suspect not. Why were cars allowed to go left anyway, if that's where the problem was, and not told to go right to the Arena car park as was the known instruction. If cars were incorrectly parked then give out their number and tell them to shift it. Doesn't seem to be a problem to communicate when someone leaves their window open! That doesn't even cost £30. Although most people associate disability with wheelchair it's actually defined in much broader terms these days. Especially, in this instance, ambulant disabled who don't use a wheelchair and can walk but the distance they are comfortable with and the problems associated with that are very much specific to the individual's disability. That's not a go at you but your post was useful background to use

I think you'll find that the club has managed that on their own with their shocking decision to increase their disabled fans already substantial difficulties without trying to manage the internal parking before hiding behind showground designated spaces. I don't see that Neil has used this to further any agenda that he may or may not have against the current management but if they hadn't made this regressive propositition then Neil would just have popped up occasionally as per usual. You probably need to look closer to home for your vitriol. ps you're not unignored btw but as well as appearing on the main page it's also not possible ignore quotes.

Nice thought but I'm not sure that one can deduce that from " a conscious decision to restrict the amount of vehicle movement within the Showground on a race night." - what does that mean? It doesn't mention numbers just movement. I suspect that initially the attempt will be made, and it will appear so if they stick with this appaling decision, to make the internal parking look a bit spartan but as the season progresses I'd guess that those excluded disabled fans' spaces will be filled by sponsors, hangers on and friends of friends. You'll not notice the difference.

Can't disagree with any of that but in terms of protest, when are you let out? Obviously you're in a secure unit for most of the week but if we could all compare calendars then that would be a good starting point

How is that relevant to the thread?

Used to be Plummer didn't it? Not sure if that's still the case but given the content I'd put 50p on that still being the case but wouldn't have him down for that sort of comment usually but perhaps if prompted then who knows? Probably The Messiah or whatever he's called today.

While it's always good that people contribute and look at solution for problems it just deflects from the mess the club has made with this. When the EoES created such a problem and the club had to find solutions then everyone was on board and appreciative. If the club had just introduced BB parking areas outside because there were none before then people would be appreciative and on board. Looking for solutions for a club created problem made without particularly good justification, or seemingly making an attempt to solve the problems that they identified is the real problem here that gets forgotten. There is an an easy solution and if that doesn't work then the club could at least say that they tried as justification. I'm sorry if people feel that I''m a troublemaker or have an agenda. I'm never the most positive and I don't have an agenda (apart from fighting for our disabled fans) but I didn't start this.

Ah thanks. I was looking in the wrong place.

I saw that. I was going to ask for an explanation but it seems to have disappeared. Can you still see that reply?

Educate yourself and you might make a valid contribution.

So we had a no cost arrangement that worked fine and now people are looking for a time consuming, potentially costly exercise that needs contant organisation to compensate for the promotion's unnecessary attack on their disabled fans. Anyway, if H&S is such a concern then a shuttle service backwards and forwards around turnstiles and walkways has to be more dangerous than letting a few cars in. Also, the Dial-a-Ride bus was needed due to the EoES making a conscious decision, against the club's wishes, to severely restrict all vehicle access. Normal service was negotiated by the club and resumed as soon as possible.

You don't talk to idiots Hodgy, here's what you do

Not very bright are you? I said: And yesterday, hence replying to your dross:

Who is the chap in the black jacket and do you have his e-mail? It's so kind of him to take you out and I'd like to send a note of thanks

No, there's plenty of mileage in this, just keep posting. As Gustix says, there's a number of supporters out there who have no idea about this. It's not the sort of thing that hits the ET or BBC Radio Cambs so the affected non internet brigade are in for one hell of shock.