NeilWatson Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 (edited) 22 minutes ago, IronScorpion said: I have now been looking at the Rules & Regulations & in Match Averages 10.2 it says "The most recently established MA will be used. If a rider has an established MA in both the Premiership and Championship Leagues, established in the same season, that leagues MA will apply to that league." From that ruling, his Premiership MA will apply but, having ridden in May, his new 1/6 MA should apply. (strange but are the BSP Ltd/SCB not applying the correct rules. Neil Watson, help me & others out!!!!!!!) Yes, he would guest (or sign now I’ve read back up the thread!) on his 1/6 Premiership average of 7.82 Edited June 9, 2021 by NeilWatson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 6 minutes ago, NeilWatson said: Yes, he would guest (or sign now I’ve read back up the thread!) on his 1/6 Premiership average of 7.82 So I take it the Panthers will be putting in a protest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuckootoyou Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 Surely it has been cleared by the powers that be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 1 minute ago, Baldyman said: So I take it the Panthers will be putting in a protest. 3 minutes ago, Baldyman said: So I take it the Panthers will be putting in a protest. Protests against team line-ups don’t exist now, any discrepancies are dealt with between Promotions via the team line-up website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 59 minutes ago, IronScorpion said: That is why I posted my previous post as the rules have been twisted, bent & gone round corners. They are said to be using his "old, May Premiership" average but his "recent" Championship average should apply. Either way, Ipswich have re-declared under the limit. What year's 'old May Premiership' average.....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 10 minutes ago, NeilWatson said: Yes, he would guest (or sign now I’ve read back up the thread!) on his 1/6 Premiership average of 7.82 So Ipswich have ballsed up, again, as he can't guest on his average(compared to Heeps) & the re-declaration stated in the Starke signing news puts them over the limit. Heeps 6.17 Stewart 4.00 remaining points 1.78 = 11.95 Cook 7.82? Starke 4.27 =12.09 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, mikebv said: What year's 'old May Premiership' average.....? Theresa or Brian? .............. 2021. (recent average is June 2021 ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 8 minutes ago, IronScorpion said: So Ipswich have ballsed up, again, as he can't guest on his average(compared to Heeps) & the re-declaration stated in the Starke signing news puts them over the limit. Heeps 6.17 Stewart 4.00 remaining points 1.78 = 11.95 Cook 7.82? Starke 4.27 =12.09 As far as I can see the conversion factor is 1.6 - it was given as that in the 2020 regulations and hasn’t been amended in the 2021 amendments. However Ipswich quoted 4.27 for Starke and I agree that wouldn’t fit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mimmo Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 2 hours ago, KIRKYLANE said: Pleased that Cook has found a new team. So am I, despite his problems from time to time, he's still one of the better British riders based in this country. I was amazed and disappointed to see his departure from King's Lynn, although there might have been very good reasons for that. Although he's joined our rival club, I hope he does a very good job for Ipswich Speedway, and wish him nothing but the best going forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 Supplementary Regulations V2 010.2.3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, NeilWatson said: As far as I can see the conversion factor is 1.6 - it was given as that in the 2020 regulations and hasn’t been amended in the 2021 amendments. However Ipswich quoted 4.27 for Starke and I agree that wouldn’t fit Cook is too low or Starke is too high. Either way still fits under the limit... unless Starke is a 4.27 and Cook is higher then..... dejavu Aren't averages checked and confirmed by the bigwigs before a PR is released? Edited June 9, 2021 by 2ndbendbeerhut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbend Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 If Cook signed before the 7th his average is 7.59 ??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, IronScorpion said: Supplementary Regulations V2 010.2.3 So the conversion factor is 1.5 confirming Starke at 4.27. The new GSAs will show the declaration and individual averages in due course. My guess is that Cook’s average should be 7.59 Edited June 9, 2021 by NeilWatson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 7 minutes ago, NeilWatson said: So the conversion factor is 1.5 confirming Starke at 4.27. The new GSAs will show the declaration and individual averages in due course. My guess is that Cook’s average should be 7.59 My guess is 7.89.... Anyone want a go at 50p a guess... winner takes all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 I am only going on the fact that, even though he was replaced after the meeting on the 27th May, that meeting is in his qualifying average when the new averages change on the 1st July so his 1/6 June average should apply. So Ipswich have applied his old(May Premiership) rather than his recent(1 June Premiership) for Cook whereas they have used a recent(converted June Championship) of 4.27 rather than his old(converted May Championship) of 4.22 for Starke! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob B Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 16 minutes ago, 2ndbend said: If Cook signed before the 7th his average is 7.59 ??? If he signed before the 7th then he wouldn’t have been able to guest on the 7th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ipswichwitches Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 4 minutes ago, 2ndbendbeerhut said: My guess is 7.89.... Anyone want a go at 50p a guess... winner takes all Here's my 50p Prior to 8th June, Cook's average was 7.59 and became 7.82 from 8th June onwards. Regulation 010.3 states: Changes must be made at least 72 hours before the start time of the meeting at which it is intended to be used. Given our next meeting is tomorrow, 10th June, that would mean a re-declare on the 7th at the latest, therefore Cook would still have his 7.59 average. Has my 50p been well spent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 57 minutes ago, IronScorpion said: So Ipswich have ballsed up, again, as he can't guest on his average(compared to Heeps) & the re-declaration stated in the Starke signing news puts them over the limit. Heeps 6.17 Stewart 4.00 remaining points 1.78 = 11.95 Cook 7.82? Starke 4.27 =12.09 #releasethecook 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob B Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 16 minutes ago, ipswichwitches said: Here's my 50p Prior to 8th June, Cook's average was 7.59 and became 7.82 from 8th June onwards. Regulation 010.3 states: Changes must be made at least 72 hours before the start time of the meeting at which it is intended to be used. Given our next meeting is tomorrow, 10th June, that would mean a re-declare on the 7th at the latest, therefore Cook would still have his 7.59 average. Has my 50p been well spent? Don’t understand why he would have got new average on 8th June, surely should be 1st June and then 1st July. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 15 minutes ago, ipswichwitches said: Here's my 50p Prior to 8th June, Cook's average was 7.59 and became 7.82 from 8th June onwards. Regulation 010.3 states: Changes must be made at least 72 hours before the start time of the meeting at which it is intended to be used. Given our next meeting is tomorrow, 10th June, that would mean a re-declare on the 7th at the latest, therefore Cook would still have his 7.59 average. Has my 50p been well spent? No, but here is my 50p Cook's initial average prior to all meetings was 7.59. He then rode in "qualifying meetings" up to & including 23rd month, according to the rules, which gives him a new applicable average from 1st June. He then rode on the 27th & was subsequently dropped. His new average should then be applied to any team he races for(even as a guest) until a new average is applied (after all qualifying races up to & including 23rd June) on 1st July. HE HAS A NEW AVERAGE FROM 1ST JUNE!!! What on earth has the 8th June got to do with anything with his average? ( water of course, in the garden to chill, hopefully) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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