Kings Lynn 2023

[Mr Bee]

4 hours ago, mikebv said:

You only have to look at the apathy at Swindon to see how little it really means to so many of the followers of the sport..

The ludicrous operating model, and the lack of credibility, integrity, kudos, marketing, and professional administration, has created that apathy...

Basically. If something doesnt mean much to you, then you will hardly miss it when it is gone..

Too many fans can "take it or leave it", and that is 100% all down to those running it who have eroded that so vital emotional attachment.. 

And they have also made the sport probably (at least), 25% more expensive for fans than it should be..

And all done to ensure riders can remain fully professional in a sport that has semi pro level crowds...

And all done in individual splendid isolation, rather than as a collective, with no independent balance checker to see if all OK and on track..

And all done to achieve.... (?).....  

Sadly. It's a plaything for a select few that nowadays  means far too little for far too many of its followers..

This is spot on. 

As I replied on Twitter last night to Chris Louis, I now live 15 mins from the Leicester track and I don't go. I will not pay 20 plus to watch what is being served up. Guests, poor presentation, poor tracks, badly run meetings, a lack of transparency all amount to my decision.  I will however religiously watch the GP's and the Polish League. I think a lot of us feel the same as Carl Johnson about British Speedway in that we've lost our enthusiasm. It now becomes more of "what shambles will happen this week" rather than looking forward to a meeting. 

Maybe its because I lost my team six years ago, who knows, but at present I feel content that my team isn't part of it. My next meeting will be Cardiff and perhaps another trip to Poland having been earlier in the year. I'd rather spend my money on something that has credibility, integrity, kudos, marketing and is professional. 

I've heard over recent years plenty of people say "if you don't like it, don't go". And there are a lot of us now doing exactly that.

You can read on here how people feel. Ok it maybe only be a small percentage that post but there will be plenty of others that don't visit this forum that will feel exactly the same as I do. I know of others that have given up on it and now spend their money elsewhere. 

I haven't fallen out of love with Speedway, I still love it, I always will. Its my number one sport. But I have fallen out of love with it in this country and the powers that be need to do something to get people like me back.  

Edited July 8, 2023 by Mr Bee

[Haza]

13 minutes ago, Phil The Ace said:

Buster can’t afford 1 team. Let alone 2 so could we see a merger of both teams from now on. 
 

sadly close Peterborough and run a mixed team at lynn

 

 

NKI

Klindt

tarasenko

cook

tungate (new signing)

Simon lambert

jenkins/rowe

 

much more competitive team and only paying for 7 riders not 14 

 

 

And that’s why Stars v Panthers is off on Monday he’s 14 riders to pay and the numbers don’t add up financially it be suicide to run it - on attendees alone so seeking financial help . 

[HGould]

1 hour ago, Haza said:

And that’s why Stars v Panthers is off on Monday he’s 14 riders to pay and the numbers don’t add up financially it be suicide to run it - on attendees alone so seeking financial help . 

I think you've hit the nail on the head. 

He's been left with 2 teams, one with no Promoters, the other KL with an experienced but non investing one. 

With deals done by others that probably in the region of 20k to cover all costs. 

Are 1000 going to turn up at 20 quid a pop, no chance. 

The other issue which cant be kicked in to long grass IF there is a return fixture its the same scenario in reverse. 

Are we realistically looking at

BV

Sheffield 

Leicester 

Ipswich 

Poole

Oxford 

Glasgow 

Redcar 

------

Scunthorpe 

Berwick 

Edinburgh? 

Plymouth? 

Birmingham? 

Mildenhall 

Workibgton

Kent

 

2 Divisions next year with top league a PL CL composite and Other a CL NDL compisite

Edited July 8, 2023 by HGould
spell / missed word

[scoobydoo]

1 hour ago, Haza said:

And that’s why Stars v Panthers is off on Monday he’s 14 riders to pay and the numbers don’t add up financially it be suicide to run it - on attendees alone so seeking financial help . 

 Is he applying for a payday loan to cover the wages of the same 14 riders twice in a week on July 24th & 27th ?

 

[Bagpuss]

9 minutes ago, scoobydoo said:

 Is he applying for a payday loan to cover the wages of the same 14 riders twice in a week on July 24th & 27th ?

 

Don't exist any more do they?

[SteveLyric2]

39 minutes ago, HGould said:

I think you've hit the nail on the head. 

He's been left with 2 teams, one with no Promoters, the other KL with an experienced but non investing one. 

With deals done by others that probably in the region of 20k to cover all costs. 

Are 1000 going to turn up at 20 quid a pop, no chance. 

The other issue which cant be kicked in to long grass IF there is a return fixture its the same scenario in reverse. 

Are we realistically looking at

BV

Sheffield 

Leicester 

Ipswich 

Poole

Oxford 

Glasgow 

Redcar 

------

Scunthorpe 

Berwick 

Edinburgh? 

Plymouth? 

Birmingham? 

Mildenhall 

Workibgton

Kent

 

2 Divisions next year with top league a PL CL composite and Other a CL NDL compisite

Not forgetting the possibility of Rye House also!

[Haza]

13 minutes ago, scoobydoo said:

 Is he applying for a payday loan to cover the wages of the same 14 riders twice in a week on July 24th & 27th ?

 

Two meetings in 3 days for Busters clubs in a perfect storm sadly for disaster 14 riders to pay twice poor crowd at both clubs . 
Unless there is a sponsor who perhaps could sponsor both meetings that is going to be a difficult 3 days for both clubs . 

[scoobydoo]

6 minutes ago, Bagpuss said:

Don't exist any more do they?

No doubt if you look in the right place , 

[HGould]

1 minute ago, Skidder1 said:

Not forgetting the possibility of Rye House also!

Would be nice but surely any new entries would have to start in lower level unless they had massive verifiable known backing. 

[scoobydoo]

Just now, Haza said:

Two meetings in 3 days for Busters clubs in a perfect storm sadly for disaster 14 riders to pay twice poor crowd at both clubs . 
Unless there is a sponsor who perhaps could sponsor both meetings that is going to be a difficult 3 days for both clubs . 

If it was to be an issue why rearrange Monday's match for the 27th 

[Haza]

13 minutes ago, scoobydoo said:

If it was to be an issue why rearrange Monday's match for the 27th 

And if not an issue why cancel Mondays meeting ?

[Daniel Smith]

Curveball: reason for postponement somebody may not have been available for Monday & it's crucial King's Lynn win vs Peterborough?

Can we genuinely trust a King’s Lynn press release these days? 

[scoobydoo]

29 minutes ago, Haza said:

And if not an issue why cancel Mondays meeting ?

My initial thought was can a club as in Peterborough run a team in an offical match if theres no promotion in place  ,

But as the statement is from Lynn it appears to be an issue from that end , or its been made as the meeting is at Lynn 

 

Edited July 8, 2023 by scoobydoo

[mikebv]

2 hours ago, HGould said:

I think you've hit the nail on the head. 

He's been left with 2 teams, one with no Promoters, the other KL with an experienced but non investing one. 

With deals done by others that probably in the region of 20k to cover all costs. 

Are 1000 going to turn up at 20 quid a pop, no chance. 

The other issue which cant be kicked in to long grass IF there is a return fixture its the same scenario in reverse. 

Are we realistically looking at

BV

Sheffield 

Leicester 

Ipswich 

Poole

Oxford 

Glasgow 

Redcar 

------

Scunthorpe 

Berwick 

Edinburgh? 

Plymouth? 

Birmingham? 

Mildenhall 

Workibgton

Kent

 

2 Divisions next year with top league a PL CL composite and Other a CL NDL compisite

The obvious way forward at least ten years ago when Poland took over.. 

Instead we had egos wanting certain riders in their teams, rather than thinking about the wider picture..

Any team winning any league will hardly add a bum to a seat at the start of next season..

So make every team as close to each other as possible and keep it competitive..

But, most of all, keep it sustainable and credible..

[Speedtiger]

It’s abundantly clear that KL and Panthers are in a serious financial situation and in jeopardy of trading insolvently in that case the BSPA have only one choice and that is annulment to take away the operation licenses and take over the rider assets of the clubs as they have done a number of times with other clubs that found themselves in financial trouble.
As tough as this is for fans, the plus side is it would get rid of incompetent fool Chapman from the sport once and for all and may, just may have a very slim chance of attracting a more stable owner with the required business acumen. 

[IainB]

19 minutes ago, Speedtiger said:

It’s abundantly clear that KL and Panthers are in a serious financial situation and in jeopardy of trading insolvently in that case the BSPA have only one choice and that is annulment to take away the operation licenses and take over the rider assets of the clubs as they have done a number of times with other clubs that found themselves in financial trouble.
As tough as this is for fans, the plus side is it would get rid of incompetent fool Chapman from the sport once and for all and may, just may have a very slim chance of attracting a more stable owner with the required business acumen. 

So you'll be Introducing prospective owners? Getting your cheque book out? Buying a lottery ticket?

[mikebv]

1 hour ago, iainb said:

So you'll be Introducing prospective owners? Getting your cheque book out? Buying a lottery ticket?

Maybe they could bring a "guest" promoter in?

Or run a PR facility (Promoter Replacement).

[Speedtiger]

2 hours ago, iainb said:

So you'll be Introducing prospective owners? Getting your cheque book out? Buying a lottery ticket?

NO NO and NO! The last thing I would invest in is speedway….it’s effectively bankrupt. 

Edited July 8, 2023 by Speedtiger

[MajorMauger]

3 hours ago, Speedtiger said:

NO NO and NO! The last thing I would invest in is speedway….it’s effectively bankrupt. 

Which is why one shouldn't go overboard when criticising those that do!

 

I haven't got a high opinion of Keith "Buster" Chapman (slimy second hand car salesman who tells a lot of lies springs to mind! ) as a person with good reason but he's put a lot of his money and time into speedway since he first bailed out King's Lynn 31 years ago in 1992 and he is a genuine speedway enthusiast. Most people on this forum wouldn't be able to do what he has done in speedway so while its looks like his time in the sport has run its course and hes made mistakes like anyone does he should be given credit for the positive things he's done in speedway, a sport which only an absolute diehard would invest money into! 

[truthsayer]

20 hours ago, Littleze said:

I have no idea what it involves or takes to run a Speedway Club or the logistics and finances it requires..  I have run/managed football clubs.. and regardless of the level… it takes time, and commitment, so I’m reluctant to dig out individuals, however… as a (presumably) collective it’s failure upon failure year in year out.. aided and abetted by the Speedway Star.. their cosy journalism* etc are complicit imo. Do they know any other word to describe a healthy crowd (it’s always BUMPER… I mean even that word is from the 70’s) 

i think you need to let it fail, otherwise you’re just saying… this is fine by me.

LOL. Speedway Star is to journalism what Greggs is to Michelin starred cooking!