Scunthorpe 2023

[IronScorpion]

That was the thinking in the team building with Kennedy instead of Clegg. All 3 would be around the 5 point mark(+ or - 0.5) making the changes fluid. They are 2nd string/reserve riders depending how a team is built. Any no2 will score about 5-6 points per meeting riding with Douglas 3 times whereas a no6 has to ride with Palm Toft twice so has the potential to score more, allowing the no 2 & 6 to swap.

[mc131]

7 hours ago, DiveBomb said:

If that your son or grandson who has been dropped for two riders that lets be honest aren't world beaters you would be defending your him to the hill. £20 quid a point with so much travelling involved I feel for the kid. People are entitled to moan as much as they like. If it annoys you then the forum isn't for you mate.

£20 a point no chance he was riding for that in champ 

[allthegearbutnaeidea]

4 hours ago, szkocjasid said:

 

Personally I don't see that happening, think Berwick are happy with their riders.

They‘re not.

[Bandit59]

4 hours ago, szkocjasid said:

 

Personally I don't see that happening, think Berwick are happy with their riders.

Don't think the supporters are.

[FishersGate]

14 hours ago, Leave some for us. said:

You obviously think it’s acceptable to divulge information like that (if true) on a public forum then ? Ok we’ll park that one. No i wasn’t moaning,  the only moaning was coming from you. I suggest you read your comments back. Like you said it’s a forum and we can say what we like ? Right ? Or does that just apply to you ? Sounds like Joe is fixed up now so people can stop crying. Let’s hope he’s managed to negotiate a better deal this time lol. Over and out . 

Yeah it's fine lots of people do it mate. Is there a rule book for it? It's a matter of opinions and we can agree to disagree. Im sure if we ever met if person our conversation would be over a nice cold one and not on a forum chewing the fat. 

[FishersGate]

13 hours ago, mc131 said:

£20 a point no chance he was riding for that in champ 

That's at national League level 

[IronScorpion]

I rest my case with the decisions made by the Scunthorpe Promotion & as I said before, 1 change was required but Rome wasn't built in a day.

Glasgow next week not an easy test to resolve things but I am still gutted & disappointed.

[szkocjasid]

I don't think you can judge Scunthorpe's changes based on one match, Clegg was always likely to score like this at Berwick. How he does in the rest of the matches will be more key. However Mountain's good score from reserve shows why they did it!

Edited May 7, 2023 by szkocjasid

[IronScorpion]

Thompson could have scored similar from 6 rides.

Edited May 7, 2023 by IronScorpion

[tweedcider]

On 5/5/2023 at 10:36 PM, Bandit59 said:

Don't think the supporters are.

What does that matter?

[thebaron]

Clegg & Ablitt coming up with 1pt between them what a poor start from the pair of them. Absolutely certain Joe would have managed to get at least 2pts so doubling their woeful debut efforts. Robs dropped a clanger with these changes. Give it 28 days and we will be making more changes because the team average will tumble. Of course that means that June will likely be a write off away from home for us. If Dillion Rumls kit is in the UK I would see if he fancies it ? Or what about Geno Manzares hes already in Sweden is he not ? For me I would much rather watch Joe Thompson develop at Scunny than have Clegg or Ablitt who I have no allengence to at all. Might as well fill in with guests very disappointing. 

[screm]

Sounds like Scunthorpe were set to make one change, whoever that rider was decided against the move which left Scunthorpe with no option but to make two changes.

[LisaColette]

13 minutes ago, screm said:

Sounds like Scunthorpe were set to make one change, whoever that rider was decided against the move which left Scunthorpe with no option but to make two changes.

Was that Dillon Ruml? Need to check averages..

[Ryan555]

53 minutes ago, lisa-colette said:

Was that Dillon Ruml? Need to check averages..

Don’t think so believe Dillion Rumls average was 5.47

[Fromafar]

11 minutes ago, rearingtogo said:

Total transfer cock-up

Don’t know why they would drop  Thompson  a promising young Brit to accommodate Clegg a journeyman reserve who has been round the block a few times.That’s GB Speedway though,all these so called training days then nothing at the end for the youngsters.The up and coming talent will be heading for Poland like the young Aussies,and giving the GB a miss in the future.

[mikebv]

8 hours ago, Fromafar said:

Don’t know why they would drop  Thompson  a promising young Brit to accommodate Clegg a journeyman reserve who has been round the block a few times.That’s GB Speedway though,all these so called training days then nothing at the end for the youngsters.The up and coming talent will be heading for Poland like the young Aussies,and giving the GB a miss in the future.

The Poles have it right. 

Ring fencing their bottom two positions for U21 riders..

And that is in their top league as well as others..

The 2nd and 3rd tier over here should do the same with the top league, given a so called lack of riders, running six man teams of "established" riders

Meaning a glide path to follow for the GB U21 riders into the top tier, and some surplus "established" riders for Div 1 replacements...

Those "special U21 talents" eg Dan Bewley, could just simply be a Div 1 rider, which would also free up a place for "lesser lights" in lower leagues..

Edited May 8, 2023 by mikebv

[phillwhitewasmad]

2 hours ago, mikebv said:

The Poles have it right. 

Ring fencing their bottom two positions for U21 riders..

And that is in their top league as well as others..

The 2nd and 3rd tier over here should do the same with the top league, given a so called lack of riders, running six man teams of "established" riders

Meaning a glide path to follow for the GB U21 riders into the top tier, and some surplus "established" riders for Div 1 replacements...

Those "special U21 talents" eg Dan Bewley, could just simply be a Div 1 rider, which would also free up a place for "lesser lights" in lower leagues..

Great post and is totally the right way to go 

 

[IronScorpion]

17 hours ago, screm said:

Sounds like Scunthorpe were set to make one change, whoever that rider was decided against the move which left Scunthorpe with no option but to make two changes.

Care to elaborate as you Berwick fans, crescent girl, seem to like letting the cat out of the bag.!!!!!

[mikebv]

5 hours ago, phillwhitewasmad said:

Great post and is totally the right way to go 

 

You would like to think that it was also the "common sense" way of doing it.. 

Putting young lads up against some of the World's Top 10 without giving them the safety net of not being dropped is ludicrous to be honest..

Putting career pressure on young lads to score points against the likes of Doyle, Emil, Bewley, Fricke, and Holder simply helps no one, neither team, nor individual, nor watching fans....

I often hear Promoters bemoaning all the advantages the Poles have re their continued "conveyor belt of talent", and I get that owning their own tracks and/or having access to them at anytime is an advantage...

But I can pretty much guarantee that if four U21 lads rode at 6 and 7 in every single 2nd and 3rd tier meeting that took place over here, with 3 rides a meeting each guaranteed like the Poles do, you would have a much larger "conveyor belt of talent" over here..

You could even add to the "ring fenced mix", those aged 21+ riders who are "newbies" to the sport, as some of top riders down the years didnt start riding Speedway till well into their 20's..

I thought the Covid break would have given those who run the sport a huge opportunity to implement the radical change in operating model that is so clearly required...

Sadly they passed up the chance to move the sport forward long term, just like the promoters did when the Sky money was just used in the main to pay for GP riders, rather than increasing the awareness of the sport through marketing, and setting up a proper development programme for young riders..

Ring fencing four U21 lads per meeting to take a minimum collective 12 rides out of the 60 on offer, just may, (will), unearth GB riders to fill places in 1 to 5's down the line in the 3rd and 2nd tier's at the least..

And it also wont throw them in at the deep end without arm bands to help them float like currently can happen..

Edited May 8, 2023 by mikebv

[mc131]

55 minutes ago, mikebv said:

You would like to think that it was also the "common sense" way of doing it.. 

Putting young lads up against some of the World's Top 10 without giving them the safety net of not being dropped is ludicrous to be honest..

Putting career pressure on young lads to score points against the likes of Doyle, Emil, Bewley, Fricke, and Holder simply helps no one, neither team, nor individual, nor watching fans....

I often hear Promoters bemoaning all the advantages the Poles have re their continued "conveyor belt of talent", and I get that owning their own tracks and/or having access to them at anytime is an advantage...

But I can pretty much guarantee that if four U21 lads rode at 6 and 7 in every single 2nd and 3rd tier meeting that took place over here, with 3 rides a meeting each guaranteed like the Poles do, you would have a much larger "conveyor belt of talent" over here..

You could even add to the "ring fenced mix", those aged 21+ riders who are "newbies" to the sport, as some of top riders down the years didnt start riding Speedway till well into their 20's..

I thought the Covid break would have given those who run the sport a huge opportunity to implement the radical change in operating model that is so clearly required...

Sadly they passed up the chance to move the sport forward long term, just like the promoters did when the Sky money was just used in the main to pay for GP riders, rather than increasing the awareness of the sport through marketing, and setting up a proper development programme for young riders..

Ring fencing four U21 lads per meeting to take a minimum collective 12 rides out of the 60 on offer, just may, (will), unearth GB riders to fill places in 1 to 5's down the line in the 3rd and 2nd tier's at the least..

And it also wont throw them in at the deep end without arm bands to help them float like currently can happen..

The thing is the changes we talk about are easy to implement, but nothing will happen until the ppl tht run the sport change sadly.