Petecc Posted June 10, 2023 Report Share Posted June 10, 2023 7 hours ago, the hobbit said: Predicted costs divided by number of meetings, then, number of paying fans at £20 a head , to cover those expected costs. simples I was there and that was followed with the more sponsorship we get the the lower that figure becomes. There is more sponsors this year so that figure goes down. The 1000 is without any sponsorship, so please don't just use the facts that suits your argument. Nigel Tolley is having a hard enough time at the moment and like the rest of speedway needs our support. It's easy to kick a dog when it's down. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted June 10, 2023 Report Share Posted June 10, 2023 The 2018 NDL season saw Brummies and Eastbourne forced up in reality by BSPL, Stoke and Buxton effectively forced out. Kent are still in but in a very different setting, only Mildenhall and BV Colts remain. Kent were effectively also forced up after 2019 season although Len I gather seriously considered PL but was blocked out. Plymouth were similarly forced up after Somerset folded , Newcastle moved in and quickly out, IOW forced out , Coventry vanished but Landlords Leicester moved in. It really does emphasise that the ideal scenrio would be an enhanced PL and a development secod tier that hoovers up anyone in CL not riding in PL and bona fide NDL riders with the caveat that those on the Rising Star Scheme have NDL Exemption to ride in NDL for 3-4 seasons. Two tiers who are self managed by their own Management Committees. The issues with many ideally suited to that level has been dictated by a Management Committee not interested in NDL in reality, other than to neuter the product. Whilst the PL remains a closed shop in terms of numbers the danger is where do Clubs like Poole / Glasgow / Oxfrod gravitate to, whilst the cartel protects the TV money and allows little if any trickle down. No doubt Messers Bates, Louis and Ford would be in PL, Godfrey would have to decide but i suspect he is very good at managing to a budget at some point below PL that could fit in an enhanced NDL and not impact negatively on his crowd levels or business model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric i Posted June 10, 2023 Report Share Posted June 10, 2023 I said at the beginning of the season Birmingham should have gone National league. Watching a league winning team on smaller wages in front of more fans would make more financial sense. I hope the stadium owners don't kick them out and they can rebuild next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 10, 2023 Report Share Posted June 10, 2023 1 hour ago, eric i said: I said at the beginning of the season Birmingham should have gone National league. Watching a league winning team on smaller wages in front of more fans would make more financial sense. I hope the stadium owners don't kick them out and they can rebuild next year. I would agree with considering the loss made last season.The entertainment factor is still very good.Could see a couple of other Clubs going the same way IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted June 10, 2023 Report Share Posted June 10, 2023 http://birmingham-speedway.com/news.php?extend.3308 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted June 10, 2023 Report Share Posted June 10, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, screm said: http://birmingham-speedway.com/news.php?extend.3308 "Just 48 hours after a second straight 56-34 home loss .." Can't even get the score right! Edited June 10, 2023 by arnieg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted June 10, 2023 Report Share Posted June 10, 2023 The manager ! Replace him before any team changes! Cmon... its bloody obvious! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitten2502 Posted June 10, 2023 Report Share Posted June 10, 2023 6 hours ago, arnieg said: "Just 48 hours after a second straight 56-34 home loss .." Can't even get the score right! You are incorrect - the phrase "home loss" is correct if you check the fixtures/results section on the official site. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted June 10, 2023 Report Share Posted June 10, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, kitten2502 said: You are incorrect - the phrase "home loss" is correct if you check the fixtures/results section on the official site. No you are incorrect. Birmingham did not lose 56-34 last week or against Edinburgh. I note it has been corrected in the media release. Edited June 10, 2023 by arnieg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitten2502 Posted June 10, 2023 Report Share Posted June 10, 2023 1 hour ago, arnieg said: No you are incorrect. Birmingham did not lose 56-34 last week or against Edinburgh. I note it has been corrected in the media release. Apologies - transposed figures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racin Jason 72 Posted June 11, 2023 Report Share Posted June 11, 2023 On 6/9/2023 at 7:58 PM, Pinny said: This side could be nearly as bad as that shocking Mildenhall side . Awful And who was the team manager for mildenhall that year ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*JJ Posted June 11, 2023 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2023 13 hours ago, GiveusaB said: The manager ! Replace him before any team changes! Cmon... its bloody obvious! No it isn't. Anyone who thinks that this will solve everything is deceiving themselves. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hobbit Posted June 11, 2023 Report Share Posted June 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Racin Jason 72 said: And who was the team manager for mildenhall that year ? Laurence Rogers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hobbit Posted June 11, 2023 Report Share Posted June 11, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, *JJ said: No it isn't. Anyone who thinks that this will solve everything is deceiving themselves. No, it won’t with this particular team but as they say, if you pay peanuts you get monkeys if you pay nothing, you get Laurence rogers Replacing rogers would give more leadership snd reduce the points thrown away by inept team management thus lessening our current thrashing’s to hopefully something approaching respectability last weeks debacle in heat five last Wednesday snd his ridiculous attempts to justify his actions, were the last straw for me. He’s absolutely clueless Edited June 11, 2023 by the hobbit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike0310 Posted June 11, 2023 Report Share Posted June 11, 2023 I take my hat off to mr Tolley at least he realises a shake up needs to be made not like my team birminghams results are no worse than ours but I bet they make more changes before we do, lack of riders is always the reason cited, other teams manage to put teams good teams together for me Kyle howarth got it spot on the fixture list is a joke not enough meetings between now and the middle of August my team Plymouth have 4 meetings at home left season over absolute joke. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted June 11, 2023 Report Share Posted June 11, 2023 29 minutes ago, Mike0310 said: I take my hat off to mr Tolley at least he realises a shake up needs to be made not like my team birminghams results are no worse than ours but I bet they make more changes before we do, lack of riders is always the reason cited, other teams manage to put teams good teams together for me Kyle howarth got it spot on the fixture list is a joke not enough meetings between now and the middle of August my team Plymouth have 4 meetings at home left season over absolute joke. You and Kyle need to talk to the teams who got away with the 2H and 2A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted June 11, 2023 Report Share Posted June 11, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, Mike0310 said: I take my hat off to mr Tolley at least he realises a shake up needs to be made not like my team birminghams results are no worse than ours but I bet they make more changes before we do, lack of riders is always the reason cited, other teams manage to put teams good teams together for me Kyle howarth got it spot on the fixture list is a joke not enough meetings between now and the middle of August my team Plymouth have 4 meetings at home left season over absolute joke. Spot on, not only does he understand the club's and fans situation but tells it as it is in public. He and his co-directors need all the support they can muster. As for Kyle's viewpoint I guess any club with a strong top 3 that gets knocked out of the 2 early season competitions will only have League meetings and possible play-offs left. Its not as if he didn't know of the possible number of fixtures when he signed up - its almost identical to last season. Edited June 11, 2023 by Skidder1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted June 11, 2023 Report Share Posted June 11, 2023 35 minutes ago, Mike0310 said: I take my hat off to mr Tolley at least he realises a shake up needs to be made not like my team birminghams results are no worse than ours but I bet they make more changes before we do, lack of riders is always the reason cited, other teams manage to put teams good teams together for me Kyle howarth got it spot on the fixture list is a joke not enough meetings between now and the middle of August my team Plymouth have 4 meetings at home left season over absolute joke. We are very grateful to Nigel Tolley and before him the Masons for keeping Brummies alive against mounting odds and big losses. Your one man moaning vendetta though against Mark Phillips is OTT I've not seen Nigel driving a tractor or preparing the track. Nor Dave and Peter Mason Not seen them rebuilding completely new Stands, put in new lighting, drag a struggling NDL team up to the CL and recruit the likes of Crump, Anderson, Palm Toft and others to try to make it work Perry Barr is in the middle of everywhere, Plymouth is on a never ending road to almost no where. Mark Phillips deserves great credit, not your constant moaning. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted June 11, 2023 Report Share Posted June 11, 2023 3 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: Spot on, not only does he understand the club's and fans situation but tells it as it is in public. He and his co-directors need all the support they can muster. He does but I do worry for the impact on his own business. He deserves really a stadium of his own to build and develop. No one deserves the owners we have to deal with. Fair play to Nigel Brummies fans know a trier when they see one and like the Masons he'll get thanks and respect for his efforts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted June 11, 2023 Report Share Posted June 11, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, HGould said: He does but I do worry for the impact on his own business. He deserves really a stadium of his own to build and develop. No one deserves the owners we have to deal with. Fair play to Nigel Brummies fans know a trier when they see one and like the Masons he'll get thanks and respect for his efforts Maybe like Mark Phillips he should give Matt Ford a call to ask him to help with any of the riders on Poole's asset list??! or any of Matt's many other speedway contacts. They all need a little help from their friends - occasionally! Edited June 11, 2023 by Skidder1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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