Poole 2025

[Supersub]

Agree with Lewy. Rode well for Poole to start but went off form very quickly, admittedly when moved to 2. Leicester weren't happy with something and released him very quickly

[foreverblue]

30 minutes ago, Supersub said:

Agree with Lewy. Rode well for Poole to start but went off form very quickly, admittedly when moved to 2. Leicester weren't happy with something and released him very quickly

Yes Sam rode well for Poole at start of season but went off form, he seems to be riding better now. Zach rode well last night but Kerr didnt. Killeen was awful, no idea what is wrong with him.

[szkocjasid]

On 5/20/2025 at 8:32 AM, j2ohh said:

Well done Sam Hagon, under 21 British champion. hitting some great form of late. look at what you could have had. ! ! !

The only rider Hagon could conceivably replaced (staying under the limit) is Tobias Thomsen. Hagon's 2025 ave 4.35 (4.87), Thomsen's 5.19 (6.67).

Well done to Sam for winning the meeting (despite not being the best rider in it) but that doesn't mean Poole made an error in not wanting him back.

[SteveLyric2]

1 hour ago, szkocjasid said:

The only rider Hagon could conceivably replaced (staying under the limit) is Tobias Thomsen. Hagon's 2025 ave 4.35 (4.87), Thomsen's 5.19 (6.67).

Well done to Sam for winning the meeting (despite not being the best rider in it) but that doesn't mean Poole made an error in not wanting him back.

One of Sam's problems is he hardly ever rides the white line! Always preferring the wider outside line which is easier at some tracks than others, especially if he can also gate.

[tyler42]

4 hours ago, piston197 said:

When you look at the Trophy you will see Sam Hagon's name on it twice in the last 2 years, there will be no comments section engraved on the cup. It is a case of "how many" not "how", you could say he was lucky, but I have found the harder you work, the luckier you get !

It is not his fault the system is set up for a winner takes all final, but it was there for all 4 riders to take advantage of, you just have to accrue enough points to get to the final, then in the most important race you need to want it more, and make your own "luck"

I agree 100% of course he deserves his victory. That is the way the system works and its winner takes all, but the comment that he was the "best rider on the day" is totally is a different debate.

[foreverblue]

1 hour ago, szkocjasid said:

The only rider Hagon could conceivably replaced (staying under the limit) is Tobias Thomsen. Hagon's 2025 ave 4.35 (4.87), Thomsen's 5.19 (6.67).

Well done to Sam for winning the meeting (despite not being the best rider in it) but that doesn't mean Poole made an error in not wanting him back.

Sam won it the way most win individual meetings, the key to these meetings is being the best when it matters, all that matters is getting enough points to qualify for the semi final or final, in fact it is often beneficial to be in the semi final rather that qualify straight to the final. I would say considering his relatively high average and the fact his form tailed off at the end of last season that it would have been a big risk to try to fit him in the Poole team.

 

[foreverblue]

9 minutes ago, tyler42 said:

I agree 100% of course he deserves his victory. That is the way the system works and its winner takes all, but the comment that he was the "best rider on the day" is totally is a different debate.

It is the same with most individual meetings, its all about qualifying for the final stages, Dan Thompson was the best rider in the meeting and most likely would have won without injury. I thought Sam deserved it as he came from the back to qualify for the final and also in the final to win it. 

[tyler42]

2 hours ago, foreverblue said:

Yes Sam rode well for Poole at start of season but went off form, he seems to be riding better now. Zach rode well last night but Kerr didnt. Killeen was awful, no idea what is wrong with him.

I have posted about Killeen in another post. He's not a shadow of the rider he was last year. The RS system is not working out for some of the lads and Luke is one of them. It must be effecting his confidence because his scores in the championship are suffering as well. Boughen and Joe Thompson are in the same boat. Take Hagon as an example Leicester took him out of the firing line and he's now slowly getting his conference back. If he were still at Leicester struggling to score would that be the case?

Yes the RS system has had its successes. Tom Brennan, Dan Thompson and Anders Rowe. All three climbed out of the RS birth and got into the main body of the team. Flint has been a RS since 2021 and has not yet managed to progress into the main body. The same with Edwards and Jenkins, but these three boys have a lot more experience than young Killeen, Boughen. I think its just too much of a jump for some of the younger boys.

 

 

[Fromafar]

46 minutes ago, tyler42 said:

I have posted about Killeen in another post. He's not a shadow of the rider he was last year. The RS system is not working out for some of the lads and Luke is one of them. It must be effecting his confidence because his scores in the championship are suffering as well. Boughen and Joe Thompson are in the same boat. Take Hagon as an example Leicester took him out of the firing line and he's now slowly getting his conference back. If he were still at Leicester struggling to score would that be the case?

Yes the RS system has had its successes. Tom Brennan, Dan Thompson and Anders Rowe. All three climbed out of the RS birth and got into the main body of the team. Flint has been a RS since 2021 and has not yet managed to progress into the main body. The same with Edwards and Jenkins, but these three boys have a lot more experience than young Killeen, Boughen. I think its just too much of a jump for some of the younger boys.

 

 

Killeen in his interview reckons his bikes are not performing the same since they come back from tuner.!!

[foreverblue]

1 hour ago, tyler42 said:

I have posted about Killeen in another post. He's not a shadow of the rider he was last year. The RS system is not working out for some of the lads and Luke is one of them. It must be effecting his confidence because his scores in the championship are suffering as well. Boughen and Joe Thompson are in the same boat. Take Hagon as an example Leicester took him out of the firing line and he's now slowly getting his conference back. If he were still at Leicester struggling to score would that be the case?

Yes the RS system has had its successes. Tom Brennan, Dan Thompson and Anders Rowe. All three climbed out of the RS birth and got into the main body of the team. Flint has been a RS since 2021 and has not yet managed to progress into the main body. The same with Edwards and Jenkins, but these three boys have a lot more experience than young Killeen, Boughen. I think its just too much of a jump for some of the younger boys.

 

 

Yes agree with that, Boughen was having a difficult time in the championship too, sometimes when in front he looks fast and he has had the odd decent meeting.Flint has looked better this season, even last night despite suffering with a cold he was better than Kerr. Anders was pretty decent too. Killeen too is struggling. Maybe a little time out of the firing line will do them good.

[Bitza]

1 hour ago, Fromafar said:

Killeen in his interview reckons his bikes are not performing the same since they come back from tuner.!!

I remember talking to a tuner (NelsonHarring) from the classic era, and he spoke of some riders complaining about engines not being on song, but when he took them apart typically they had carbon stains up the inlet a sure sign that the problem was actually the riders rolling back the throttle. 

[gazzac]

4 hours ago, foreverblue said:

It is the same with most individual meetings, its all about qualifying for the final stages.

Same as the league/playoffs as well really.....

Edited 8 hours ago by gazzac

[Wee Eck]

1 hour ago, Bitza said:

I remember talking to a tuner (NelsonHarring) from the classic era, and he spoke of some riders complaining about engines not being on song, but when he took them apart typically they had carbon stains up the inlet a sure sign that the problem was actually the riders rolling back the throttle. 

I admit to having very limited mechanical knowledge but, if you roll off the throttle, surely that limits the fuel so would reduce not increase “carbon stains”? And as methanol is a clean fuel, does it actually create carbon stains anywhere?

 

1 hour ago, Bitza said:

I remember talking to a tuner (NelsonHarring) from the classic era, and he spoke of some riders complaining about engines not being on song, but when he took them apart typically they had carbon stains up the inlet a sure sign that the problem was actually the riders rolling back the throttle. 

ok

[Bitza]

It's a bit technical and pretty boring for most but on the off chance that somebody's curious it's because speedway engines operate in a particularly small rev range so they can be tuned in very extreme ways. In this case extreme valve overlap, when inlet and exhaust valves are open at the same time, closing the throttle interrupts the flow of mixture into the engine allowing exhaust gases up the inlet. Anybody still awake? 

[gazzac]

19 minutes ago, Bitza said:

It's a bit technical and pretty boring for most but on the off chance that somebody's curious it's because speedway engines operate in a particularly small rev range so they can be tuned in very extreme ways. In this case extreme valve overlap, when inlet and exhaust valves are open at the same time, closing the throttle interrupts the flow of mixture into the engine allowing exhaust gases up the inlet. Anybody still awake? 

No way would I want exhaust gases let up up my inlet....

I assume followed by a misfire pop, or a bang I suppose?

Edited 6 hours ago by gazzac