THE DEAN MACHINE Posted June 25 Report Share Posted June 25 The trouble with a lot of folks who criticise clubs in the main havent got a clue what they are talking about and some don’t even go but want their say,this isn’t to say promotion’s are not at fault some of the time or indeed a lot of the time, I know one fan who hasn’t paid to get in a meeting for around 30 years but slags speedway and the last few years Birmingham off every chance he gets and most of what he says is complete crap but social media has given him a voice and doesn’t he just use it, shame he has no ideas, no clue and never ever anything constructive to say 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluejam Posted June 25 Report Share Posted June 25 (edited) 2 hours ago, mikebv said: 600 to (on a good night), 800, was never going to sustain a competitive team in Div 1.. And, before some come on and say previous promotions did it, they didn't have to lay out big money to expensive top riders as very few rode over here for several of those seasons.. And they also often were in the lower leagues that crowds of 600 to 800 could be coped with... They simply should have been allowed to ride Mondays in Div 2... If that meant a few "guesfests" then so be it, (what's several more added to the overall total?).... I remember attending PB when Lakeside Hammers rode there and there less than 350 in attendance( I was with a Berwick follower who was in the area for work purposes.He couldn't believe it😮)☹️ Edited June 25 by bluejam 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted June 25 Report Share Posted June 25 As much as speedway is its own demise, the current worrying trend in attendances is in part down to the financial crisis currently hitting the world, people are starting to feel the pinch and are picking and choosing what they attend, it’s not just speedway it’s everywhere,every entertainment business, I think it has finally registered at BSPL towers and I’m led to believe that a huge shake up for the sport is happening this winter, it’s very hush hush at the moment but let’s hope it’s just not a new helmet colour 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted June 25 Report Share Posted June 25 6 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: As much as speedway is its own demise, the current worrying trend in attendances is in part down to the financial crisis currently hitting the world, people are starting to feel the pinch and are picking and choosing what they attend, it’s not just speedway it’s everywhere,every entertainment business, I think it has finally registered at BSPL towers and I’m led to believe that a huge shake up for the sport is happening this winter, it’s very hush hush at the moment but let’s hope it’s just not a new helmet colour Without being hypo sceptical, a huge shake up for the sport has been promised for many a year, promised but as yet not delivered. Though to be fair its difficult for the decision makers to see the problems when your head is buried in the sand. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted June 25 Report Share Posted June 25 13 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: As much as speedway is its own demise, the current worrying trend in attendances is in part down to the financial crisis currently hitting the world, people are starting to feel the pinch and are picking and choosing what they attend, it’s not just speedway it’s everywhere,every entertainment business, I think it has finally registered at BSPL towers and I’m led to believe that a huge shake up for the sport is happening this winter, it’s very hush hush at the moment but let’s hope it’s just not a new helmet colour What I think everyone needs to grasp is that speedway is just not a trendy sport and there is no younger generation of fans flocking through the gates anymore. Its 99.9 percent surviving on the old guard. Ok, there will be one or two clubs who are making a decent profit from good crowds but they are very much in the minority. The amount of clubs that have closed in the last few decades speaks volumes. The sport in the UK has been wrecked by lazy promoters who wont drag the club they promote into the 21st century, scruffy stadiums, ridiculous rule changes by the governing body and riders taking the complete urine. Thats just a couple of major problems, the list is endless. I have said it for years now, the only way out of this is to completely re format British Speedway and change the league structure. Two leagues sharing the same riders with riders missing every meeting just don't work. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted June 25 Report Share Posted June 25 10 minutes ago, screm said: Without being hypo sceptical, a huge shake up for the sport has been promised for many a year, promised but as yet not delivered. Though to be fair its difficult for the decision makers to see the problems when your head is buried in the sand. I’m led to believe this is a major overall, I think it centered around the finances of the sport, I heard a proposal a few weeks back which is a major change and it’s not going to sit well with some but I don’t see an alternative,not saying this is the way they are planning but the sport in Britain more than ever is broke and the country is heading the same way,whatever the outcome the end result has to be cheaper admission for fans and a £1 here or £2 there ain’t going to cut it 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted June 25 Report Share Posted June 25 45 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: As much as speedway is its own demise, the current worrying trend in attendances is in part down to the financial crisis currently hitting the world, people are starting to feel the pinch and are picking and choosing what they attend, it’s not just speedway it’s everywhere,every entertainment business, I think it has finally registered at BSPL towers and I’m led to believe that a huge shake up for the sport is happening this winter, it’s very hush hush at the moment but let’s hope it’s just not a new helmet colour A purple one if history is a guide... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted June 25 Report Share Posted June 25 35 minutes ago, Pinny said: What I think everyone needs to grasp is that speedway is just not a trendy sport and there is no younger generation of fans flocking through the gates anymore. Its 99.9 percent surviving on the old guard. Ok, there will be one or two clubs who are making a decent profit from good crowds but they are very much in the minority. The amount of clubs that have closed in the last few decades speaks volumes. The sport in the UK has been wrecked by lazy promoters who wont drag the club they promote into the 21st century, scruffy stadiums, ridiculous rule changes by the governing body and riders taking the complete urine. Thats just a couple of major problems, the list is endless. I have said it for years now, the only way out of this is to completely re format British Speedway and change the league structure. Two leagues sharing the same riders with riders missing every meeting just don't work. Glaringly obvious for years... When emergency surgery has been needed for decades, we had sticking plaster, after sticking plaster... Tens of thousands more still follow the sport than feel attending each week is worthwhile... Just get them back onside by listening to them, and delivering a great night out for twenty plus quid.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShanoXtra Posted June 25 Report Share Posted June 25 (edited) 13 minutes ago, mikebv said: Glaringly obvious for years... When emergency surgery has been needed for decades, we had sticking plaster, after sticking plaster... Tens of thousands more still follow the sport than feel attending each week is worthwhile... Just get them back onside by listening to them, and delivering a great night out for twenty plus quid.. We now have some of the best riders in the world finally on British shores. Yet people still would rather “pick and choose” their meetings and not support the sport. There is no excuse. People on the forum need to actually start attending matches and helping the sport out inside of constantly moaning about this and that. Latest I heard was most matches are “qualifiers” for the play offs. That’s an embarrassing reason to not attend. Polish fans could think the same around this time of the season but they love the sport and just go to watch races. Too much negatively on this forum. Turn your phone off on a Monday or Thursday night and actually go out and watch some speedway instead of just chatting BS. Belle Vue have two of the best riders currently in the world but still can’t be bothered to attend until September as they always state… why? Edited June 25 by ShanoXtra . 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted June 25 Report Share Posted June 25 On 6/27/2003 at 9:40 AM, Guest andyo said: so this is the view expressed by CVS in an article in todays Times. very rare to see any speedway in that paper but what do poeple feel about this. are we in the same situation as in 1964 when the national league was down to 8 and had to amalgamate with the provincial league to survive. this led to a weakening of teams as heat leaders ahd to be given to the wekers side. so make the most of this year pirates fans. This from a mere 22 years ago, sky has come and gone, Cardiff has come and gone, many tracks have come and gone, mainly gone... what was under discussion then is still under discussion today, to think that some of the posters on this topic then were young men 😂 Many have long since left the forum 😟 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted June 25 Report Share Posted June 25 3 minutes ago, ShanoXtra said: We now have some of the best riders in the world finally on British shores. Yet people still would rather “pick and choose” their meetings and not support the sport. There is no excuse. People on the forum need to actually start attending matches and helping the sport out inside of constantly moaning about this and that. Latest I heard was most matches are “qualifiers” for the play offs. That’s an embarrassing reason to not attend. Polish fans could think the same around this time of the season but they love the sport and just go to watch races. Too much negatively on this forum. Turn your phone off on a Monday or Thursday night and actually go out and watch some speedway instead of just chatting BS. Belle Vue have two of the best riders currently in the world but still can’t be bothered to attend until September as they always state… why? A Mickey Mouse Sporting League.. Four guests and RR? Not a problem, please take it seriously like we do, and form an orderly queue... Swapping two guest riders (so they ride for both teams) in the middle of a play off final ? Not a problem, please take it seriously like we do, and form an orderly queue.. Bomber helping Ipswich knock BV out in the semis, and then representing Sheffield to beat Ipswich in the final? Not a problem, please take it seriously like we do, and form an orderly queue... First v Fourth in the play offs? (Unless of course commercially it is better to change the rules?) Not a problem, please take it seriously like we do, and form an orderly queue.. Adam Eliis and MJJ only agreeing to ride for the first few weeks of the season, and their club, and the umbrella organisation, not informing the fanbase? (And then making them out to be the bad guys, even though all on here knew the reality).. Not a problem, please take it seriously like we do, and form an orderly queue.. For me, the wife, and my lad, it is over £70 to attend... Come on UK Speedway, treat us with a modicum of respect as to what you serve up.,. And, who knows, we may attend more... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted June 25 Report Share Posted June 25 36 minutes ago, ShanoXtra said: We now have some of the best riders in the world finally on British shores. Yet people still would rather “pick and choose” their meetings and not support the sport. There is no excuse. People on the forum need to actually start attending matches and helping the sport out inside of constantly moaning about this and that. Latest I heard was most matches are “qualifiers” for the play offs. That’s an embarrassing reason to not attend. Polish fans could think the same around this time of the season but they love the sport and just go to watch races. Too much negatively on this forum. Turn your phone off on a Monday or Thursday night and actually go out and watch some speedway instead of just chatting BS. Belle Vue have two of the best riders currently in the world but still can’t be bothered to attend until September as they always state… why? Because the country is going broke, are you not listening ? Folk are feeling the pinch and picking and choosing, it’s not just speedway, it’s gone past speedways ills now ,I see it everywhere now,in everyday life work and play,folk are genuinely starting to cut expenditure and speedway unfortunately is way down the list, big events are surviving at the moment as they generally one offs and not every week but even those are not selling out like they used too 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted June 25 Report Share Posted June 25 36 minutes ago, ShanoXtra said: We now have some of the best riders in the world finally on British shores. Yet people still would rather “pick and choose” their meetings and not support the sport. There is no excuse. People on the forum need to actually start attending matches and helping the sport out inside of constantly moaning about this and that. Latest I heard was most matches are “qualifiers” for the play offs. That’s an embarrassing reason to not attend. Polish fans could think the same around this time of the season but they love the sport and just go to watch races. Too much negatively on this forum. Turn your phone off on a Monday or Thursday night and actually go out and watch some speedway instead of just chatting BS. Belle Vue have two of the best riders currently in the world but still can’t be bothered to attend until September as they always state… why? I think the fact people who follow the sport would rather comment from a phone/PC rather than attend shows just how far the sport has fallen? You simply cannot expect fans to part with hard earned cash to turn up and watch a poor product. Why should they? It is high time now more than ever that one big league was formed, 5 rider teams and race once home and away then top 4 to play offs and so on. The Gp riders returning haven't brought the crowds back so do away with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted June 25 Report Share Posted June 25 15 minutes ago, mikebv said: A Mickey Mouse Sporting League.. Four guests and RR? Not a problem, please take it seriously like we do, and form an orderly queue... Swapping two guest riders (so they ride for both teams) in the middle of a play off final ? Not a problem, please take it seriously like we do, and form an orderly queue.. Bomber helping Ipswich knock BV out in the semis, and then representing Sheffield to beat Ipswich in the final? Not a problem, please take it seriously like we do, and form an orderly queue... First v Fourth in the play offs? (Unless of course commercially it is better to change the rules?) Not a problem, please take it seriously like we do, and form an orderly queue.. Adam Eliis and MJJ only agreeing to ride for the first few weeks of the season, and their club, and the umbrella organisation, not informing the fanbase? (And then making them out to be the bad guys, even though all on here knew the reality).. Not a problem, please take it seriously like we do, and form an orderly queue.. For me, the wife, and my lad, it is over £70 to attend... Come on UK Speedway, treat us with a modicum of respect as to what you serve up.,. And, who knows, we may attend more... We know all this but it’s more than speedway itself now,the country is going broke, at this point unless the finance is changed nothing else will make a difference 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted June 25 Report Share Posted June 25 36 minutes ago, ShanoXtra said: We now have some of the best riders in the world finally on British shores. Yet people still would rather “pick and choose” their meetings and not support the sport. There is no excuse. People on the forum need to actually start attending matches and helping the sport out inside of constantly moaning about this and that. Latest I heard was most matches are “qualifiers” for the play offs. That’s an embarrassing reason to not attend. Polish fans could think the same around this time of the season but they love the sport and just go to watch races. Too much negatively on this forum. Turn your phone off on a Monday or Thursday night and actually go out and watch some speedway instead of just chatting BS. Belle Vue have two of the best riders currently in the world but still can’t be bothered to attend until September as they always state… why? I think the fact people who follow the sport would rather comment from a phone/PC rather than attend shows just how far the sport has fallen? You simply cannot expect fans to part with hard earned cash to turn up and watch a poor product. Why should they? It is high time now more than ever that one big league was formed, 5 rider teams and race once home and away then top 4 to play offs and so on. The Gp riders returning haven't brought the crowds back so do away with them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted June 25 Report Share Posted June 25 (edited) Went to Guns n roses on Monday, wasn’t a sell out mainly because it was so bloody expensive,went in Birmingham city center before for a meal and after gig and it was deserted,pubs, bars and restaurants were open and had about 10 people in, yes it was a Monday but I’ve never seen it do dead, car parks were empty,folk are not spending money like they used too, I work in supplying hospitaity, bars,restaurants etc and they are struggling because people are just not coming, I have a stall at the classic off-road show at Telford every year and was talking to other stall owners this year from all walks of the motorcycle world and they all said people are just not spending their money here like they used used to Edited June 25 by THE DEAN MACHINE 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted June 25 Report Share Posted June 25 Just now, THE DEAN MACHINE said: We know all this but it’s more than speedway itself now,the country is going broke, at this point unless the finance is changed nothing else will make a difference 100℅ agree... Charging me over £70, for 15 minutes entertainment, to watch a competition where it really doesn't matter who wins it, and providing competitors with 12 months money, for less than six months work... In front of circa 1000 fans... Will never work... My lad plays semi pro football and plays in front of four figure crowds, which UK Speedway would kill for, but none of them has to spend £20k on their kit, and, therefore, none of them, expect to not have to work six months of the year on the money they get paid... The UK Operating model is simply not for fit purpose, and has been so for decades... It sounds like someone has finally realised that.. Unfortunately those who have suddenly realised this have also been running the sport for the past decades... Not holding out any hope... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted June 25 Report Share Posted June 25 3 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: Went to Guns n roses on Monday, wasn’t a sell out mainly because it was so bloody expensive,went in Birmingham city center before for a meal and after gig and it was deserted,pubs, bars and restaurants were open and had about 10 people in, yes it was a Monday but I’ve never seen it do dead, car parks were empty,folk are not spending money like they used too, I work in supplying hospitaity, bars,restaurants etc and they are struggling because people are just not coming Would the fact that present day Guns n Roses sound absolutely terrible have something to do with it? Seen them live in the MCG here in Melbourne a few years ago and left half way through they were that bad. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted June 25 Report Share Posted June 25 2 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: Went to Guns n roses on Monday, wasn’t a sell out mainly because it was so bloody expensive,went in Birmingham city center before for a meal and after gig and it was deserted,pubs, bars and restaurants were open and had about 10 people in, yes it was a Monday but I’ve never seen it do dead, car parks were empty,folk are not spending money like they used too, I work in supplying hospitaity, bars,restaurants etc and they are struggling I was there too! Yes it was expensive but it was 3 hours 10 minutes of non- stop entertainment. I'm going to see Maiden on Saturday at the Olympic stadium, again around the £100 mark but again it'll be around 2 hours of non stop entertainment... although they are operating drummer replacement lol 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted June 25 Report Share Posted June 25 1 minute ago, Pinny said: Would the fact that present day Guns n Roses sound absolutely terrible have something to do with it? Seen them live in the MCG here in Melbourne a few years ago and left half way through they were that bad. No they were fantastic and for a football stadium the sound was fantastic too, it’s not just GNR it’s all bands with the exception of the one off things like sabbath gig or oasis where it’s a new one off type of thing, from what I hear iron maiden wasn’t sold out either this week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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