mikebv Posted 23 hours ago Report Share Posted 23 hours ago Ridiculous that Wroclaw have to use Zach Cook tonight to replace Kurtz... They should be allowed to have used Zmarzlik, Jack Holder, Lindgren or Emil as a guest... Like a proper Speedway league would...😆 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted 23 hours ago Report Share Posted 23 hours ago 6 minutes ago, ShanoXtra said: Doesn’t really matter too much, it’s more of a problem for Wroclaw. Bottom four have to go to a play down so whether you’re 5th or 8th you could get relegated. Wroclaw need top 4 to try and win the league. Today in Gorzów good news for the club. As long as they stay in the Ekstraliga they will keep Anders, Vaculik will go the Lublin but Jack holder will go to Gorzów. Financially they are now in very good position with sponsors, they are just blocked from spending money this season hence the poor team. Rumours Tungate will go to Stał also next season. A bit more positive for Gorzow then, I hadn't read today's news. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted 23 hours ago Report Share Posted 23 hours ago 1 minute ago, mikebv said: Ridiculous that Wroclaw have to use Zach Cook tonight to replace Kurtz... They should be allowed to have used Zmarzlik, Jack Holder, Lindgren or Emil as a guest... Like a proper Speedway league would...😆 Just imagine if the Ekstraliga did have a guest system which saw riders ride for rival clubs. The fans would cause a riot lol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShanoXtra Posted 23 hours ago Report Share Posted 23 hours ago 1 minute ago, TTT said: A bit more positive for Gorzow then, I hadn't read today's news. Obviously im all for Gorzów it being my partners home city, but by the sounds of it, if they can stay in the league they can open up funds and build a solid team next year and come out swinging… that’s my hope anyway! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted 23 hours ago Report Share Posted 23 hours ago 2 minutes ago, mikebv said: Ridiculous that Wroclaw have to use Zach Cook tonight to replace Kurtz... They should be allowed to have used Zmarzlik, Jack Holder, Lindgren or Emil as a guest... Like a proper Speedway league would...😆 What is ridiculous is Zack cook was allowed to dump his British team to ride for Wrocław 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShanoXtra Posted 23 hours ago Report Share Posted 23 hours ago Pedersen has caused a mini scandal amongst Polish speedway riders tonight by not finishing his race and causing Jensen not to get paid his 3rd place point! His own team, away team, commentators, Lebedevz mentioned it on his Instagram story, I’m sure many more riders too spoke about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted 23 hours ago Report Share Posted 23 hours ago Track is a bit dangerous now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk127 Posted 23 hours ago Report Share Posted 23 hours ago Do they not have a curfew in Poland😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted 23 hours ago Report Share Posted 23 hours ago 2 minutes ago, TTT said: Track is a bit dangerous now. No,they have the wrong bikes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shockster Posted 23 hours ago Report Share Posted 23 hours ago 3 minutes ago, ShanoXtra said: Pedersen has caused a mini scandal amongst Polish speedway riders tonight by not finishing his race and causing Jensen not to get paid his 3rd place point! His own team, away team, commentators, Lebedevz mentioned it on his Instagram story, I’m sure many more riders too spoke about it. The club could be honest and pay Jensen for the point. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 23 hours ago Report Share Posted 23 hours ago 6 minutes ago, Hawk127 said: Does the UK have an operating model or make it up as it goes along? As for the sell out to the current broadcaster, who agreed that and sold the UK punter down the line. BSN would have been a far better option.  I agree with your sentiments but the sport over here is at an amateur level and sooner those that run it realise they need to rethink the format, presentation and marketing opportunities the sooner they will have a credible product to take to market. Until then watch and learn from Poland. Poland has a perfect "how not to do this" model to ensure that they don't follow... The UK had the best riders and had great mainstream TV coverage in the 70's. Built on a hugely successful national team.. With the domestic leagues living off that interest . They then decided to bring in journeymen from all points of the globe to take up places UK riders used to get, thus, the conveyer belt of UK talent ground to a halt, and teams were no longer made up of "local lads" but overseas riders who got replaced like for like using a revolving door.. With the result that mainstream media dropped their coverage as the national team stopped winning. Beaten by riders the UK trained.. And domestic speedway crowds dropped accordingly.. Move forward to the late 90's and guestfests and doubling up/down started to became rife, because of the lack of riders, due to the fact UK lads were not coming through anymore due to the restricted chances of the previous decade.. Then the GP stars cleared off when the Sky money stopped and left clubs scrabbling around to make enough "decent teams". But inflation busting admission fee increases still took place year on year to see inferior riders race. As fans stopped going, those left, got charged more.. (a great plan).. Poland ensure that their national team is always "in the mix" as they know that this is what keeps national interest, and also ensure that their "conveyer belt" of talent keeps coming through by protecting places in every team for Poles.. They have even launched an U24 league to ensure they get the pick of all the best talent from around the globe, just in case not enough Poles come through of the right level.. Covering all bases in a controlled way.. What the UK did (and still does), Poland will avoid like the plague... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjcone44 Posted 23 hours ago Report Share Posted 23 hours ago yes and deduct it from Pedersen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted 23 hours ago Report Share Posted 23 hours ago Greda showing Pedersen how to lose gracefully. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShanoXtra Posted 23 hours ago Report Share Posted 23 hours ago 2 minutes ago, mikebv said: Poland has a perfect "how not to do this" model to ensure that they don't follow... The UK had the best riders and had great mainstream TV coverage in the 70's. Built on a hugely successful national team.. With the domestic leagues living off that interest . They then decided to bring in journeymen from all points of the globe to take up places UK riders used to get, thus, the conveyer belt of UK talent ground to a halt, and teams were no longer made up of "local lads" but overseas riders who got replaced like for like using a revolving door.. With the result that mainstream media dropped their coverage as the national team stopped winning. Beaten by riders the UK trained.. And domestic speedway crowds dropped accordingly.. Move forward to the late 90's and guestfests and doubling up/down started to became rife, because of the lack of riders, due to the fact UK lads were not coming through anymore due to the restricted chances of the previous decade.. Then the GP stars cleared off when the Sky money stopped and left clubs scrabbling around to make enough "decent teams". But inflation busting admission fee increases still took place year on year to see inferior riders race. As fans stopped going, those left, got charged more.. (a great plan).. Poland ensure that their national team is always "in the mix" as they know that this is what keeps national interest, and also ensure that their "conveyer belt" of talent keeps coming through by protecting places in every team for Poles.. They have even launched an U24 league to ensure they get the pick of all the best talent from around the globe, just in case not enough Poles come through of the right level.. Covering all bases in a controlled way.. What the UK did (and still does), Poland will avoid like the plague... Great analysis, adding to this… next season Poland announced all teams do not need 2 Polish under 24s riders, but they will require 4 Polish riders in each team. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted 23 hours ago Report Share Posted 23 hours ago Just watched pedersens reply, safe to say he doesn’t care lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted 23 hours ago Report Share Posted 23 hours ago  What a great debute from Philip. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 23 hours ago Report Share Posted 23 hours ago 20 minutes ago, ShanoXtra said: Pedersen has caused a mini scandal amongst Polish speedway riders tonight by not finishing his race and causing Jensen not to get paid his 3rd place point! His own team, away team, commentators, Lebedevz mentioned it on his Instagram story, I’m sure many more riders too spoke about it. A proper "no, no" amongst riders... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk127 Posted 23 hours ago Report Share Posted 23 hours ago 2 minutes ago, mikebv said: Poland has a perfect "how not to do this" model to ensure that they don't follow... The UK had the best riders and had great mainstream TV coverage in the 70's. Built on a hugely successful national team.. With the domestic leagues living off that interest . They then decided to bring in journeymen from all points of the globe to take up places UK riders used to get, thus, the conveyer belt of UK talent ground to a halt, and teams were no longer made up of "local lads" but overseas riders who got replaced like for like using a revolving door.. With the result that mainstream media dropped their coverage as the national team stopped winning. Beaten by riders the UK trained.. And domestic speedway crowds dropped accordingly.. Move forward to the late 90's and guestfests and doubling up/down started to became rife, because of the lack of riders, due to the fact UK lads were not coming through anymore due to the restricted chances of the previous decade.. Then the GP stars cleared off when the Sky money stopped and left clubs scrabbling around to make enough "decent teams". But inflation busting admission fee increases still took place year on year to see inferior riders race. As fans stopped going, those left, got charged more.. (a great plan).. Poland ensure that their national team is always "in the mix" as they know that this is what keeps national interest, and also ensure that their "conveyer belt" of talent keeps coming through by protecting places in every team for Poles.. They have even launched an U24 league to ensure they get the pick of all the best talent from around the globe, just in case not enough Poles come through of the right level.. Covering all bases in a controlled way.. What the UK did (and still does), Poland will avoid like the plague... Talking to taxi drivers from and to the airport in Krakow they have grown up using grass track and speedway bikes on the many practice tracks that are available and surprisingly those I spoke to on a recent trip to Poland were well aware of the current speedway riders and BM as well as a few others which shows that the sport has some following amongst Joe Public. Not sure the reciprocal situation would arise in the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted 23 hours ago Report Share Posted 23 hours ago 1 minute ago, mikebv said: A proper "no, no" amongst riders... Not that I agree with doing it but it does highlight the fact that riders are too pally pally these days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shockster Posted 23 hours ago Report Share Posted 23 hours ago 3 minutes ago, Hawk127 said: Talking to taxi drivers from and to the airport in Krakow they have grown up using grass track and speedway bikes on the many practice tracks that are available and surprisingly those I spoke to on a recent trip to Poland were well aware of the current speedway riders and BM as well as a few others which shows that the sport has some following amongst Joe Public. Not sure the reciprocal situation would arise in the UK. I'm pretty sure it wouldn't. 😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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