THE DEAN MACHINE Posted Friday at 01:03 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 01:03 PM (edited) 20 minutes ago, SUPERACE said: Lots of things wrong with Speedway, a GP at Belle Vue isn't one of them. What's it a backward step from, this is a new GP, this was happening regardless of Cardiff. The fact we were only getting 19k at Cardiff has nothing to do with a GP now happening at the best UK track. Yep thought you would miss the point, nothing wrong with belle vue track and yes it probably is the best track in the uk even though I would argue Workington is better but nobody went to Cardiff for the track or the racing ,they went for the event, for the whole experience, the day out, the p**s up, call it whatever you want and it attracted speedway folk who hasn’t been in years because of the buzz about the day and the crowd dropped off because the organisers rested in their past success instead of trying to improve it and it got stale, it needed a new Cardiff not belle vue. I’m sure the racing will be great tonight and tomorrow but that’s not going to attract me or 85%of the 1000s who went to Cardiff to go or any of the randem non speedway folk who went because of the buzz of the event ,the GP is an event, it’s a celebration, it’s a days entertainment, the speedway is secondary, 19,000 went last year and now we down to 6500 and it hasn’t even sold out Edited Friday at 01:11 PM by THE DEAN MACHINE 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted Friday at 01:26 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 01:26 PM 23 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: Yep thought you would miss the point, nothing wrong with belle vue track and yes it probably is the best track in the uk even though I would argue Workington is better but nobody went to Cardiff for the track or the racing ,they went for the event, for the whole experience, the day out, the p**s up, call it whatever you want and it attracted speedway folk who hasn’t been in years because of the buzz about the day and the crowd dropped off because the organisers rested in their past success instead of trying to improve it and it got stale, it needed a new Cardiff not belle vue. I’m sure the racing will be great tonight and tomorrow but that’s not going to attract me or 85%of the 1000s who went to Cardiff to go or any of the randem non speedway folk who went because of the buzz of the event ,the GP is an event, it’s a celebration, it’s a days entertainment, the speedway is secondary, 19,000 went last year and now we down to 6500 and it hasn’t even sold out Killer stat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted Friday at 01:29 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 01:29 PM 18 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: Yep thought you would miss the point, nothing wrong with belle vue track and yes it probably is the best track in the uk even though I would argue Workington is better but nobody went to Cardiff for the track or the racing ,they went for the event, for the whole experience, the day out, the p**s up, call it whatever you want and it attracted speedway folk who hasn’t been in years because of the buzz about the day and the crowd dropped off because the organisers rested in their past success instead of trying to improve it and it got stale, it needed a new Cardiff not belle vue. I’m sure the racing will be great tonight and tomorrow but that’s not going to attract me or 85%of the 1000s who went to Cardiff to go or any of the randem non speedway folk who went because of the buzz of the event ,the GP is an event, it’s a celebration, it’s a days entertainment, the speedway is secondary, 19,000 went last year and now we down to 6500 and it hasn’t even sold out To be fair he is probably right, it was ruined by greedy hotels and the price of tickets which went up year on year, the racing has on occasion been very good but mostly just ok. it was the golden goose and some person or persons decided to see just how much they could make year on year without a thought for the supporters, the fact that it wasn’t weather dependent played a big part as well. The fact that half the field shouldn’t be anywhere near the event and the constant tinkering with the points allocation and rules hasn’t helped either. If it Ain’t broke don’t fix it applies methinks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERACE Posted Friday at 01:32 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 01:32 PM 21 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: Yep thought you would miss the point, nothing wrong with belle vue track and yes it probably is the best track in the uk even though I would argue Workington is better but nobody went to Cardiff for the track or the racing ,they went for the event, for the whole experience, the day out, the p**s up, call it whatever you want and it attracted speedway folk who hasn’t been in years because of the buzz about the day and the crowd dropped off because the organisers rested in their past success instead of trying to improve it and it got stale, it needed a new Cardiff not belle vue. I’m sure the racing will be great tonight and tomorrow but that’s not going to attract me or 85%of the 1000s who went to Cardiff to go or any of the randem non speedway folk who went because of the buzz of the event ,the GP is an event, it’s a celebration, it’s a days entertainment, the speedway is secondary, 19,000 went last year and now we down to 6500 and it hasn’t even sold out Oh don't worry Dean i I did get your point, so you thought wrong. As i said the Manchester GP has nothing to do with Cardiff not being here anymore. 20k people stopped going to Cardiff, the bars are all still there so they stopped going due to the racing, the cost or possibly both. You say you expect the racing will probably be great the next 2 days, and your partner and son are going but that wont attract you, well maybe you just simply don't like speedway anymore, which is OK of course. The speedway maybe be secondary for you but it isn't for me, and the 20k who stopped going to Cardiff. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted Friday at 01:40 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 01:40 PM It sounds very much like Tatum & Louis aren't even at Belle Vue!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted Friday at 01:44 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 01:44 PM 2 minutes ago, SUPERACE said: Oh don't worry Dean i I did get your point, so you thought wrong. As i said the Manchester GP has nothing to do with Cardiff not being here anymore. 20k people stopped going to Cardiff, the bars are all still there so they stopped going due to the racing, the cost or possibly both. You say you expect the racing will probably be great the next 2 days, and your partner and son are going but that wont attract you, well maybe you just simply don't like speedway anymore, which is OK of course. The speedway maybe be secondary for you but it isn't for me, and the 20k who stopped going to Cardiff. I will go to belle vue happily a couple of times this season for a league meeting but the GP is a different thing all together, I didn’t go to landshut for the racing I went for the event, the experience, maybe I don’t like speedway anymore ? I have give blood sweat and tears for speedway on both sides of the fence all my life and still do, I am speedway, it’s my purpose and it breaks my heart to see the pinnacle of the sport in the Uk as such a low key event that won’t make a flutter to the outside world, I will be glued to the tv tonight but I haven’t got the feeling of missing out because it’s just a meeting and nothing else 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted Friday at 02:11 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 02:11 PM While qualifying is infinitely more interesting to watch than the old practice sessions I do think they should make a tweak to it and just say riders have 3 timed laps instead of starting a clock you can't see randomly when the pit gate closes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted Friday at 02:11 PM Author Report Share Posted Friday at 02:11 PM 29 minutes ago, IainB said: It sounds very much like Tatum & Louis aren't even at Belle Vue!! I came to the same opinion, when Kelv said he caught sight of the fans in the temporary stand on a couple of occasions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted Friday at 02:12 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 02:12 PM 22 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: I will go to belle vue happily a couple of times this season for a league meeting but the GP is a different thing all together, I didn’t go to landshut for the racing I went for the event, the experience, maybe I don’t like speedway anymore ? I have give blood sweat and tears for speedway on both sides of the fence all my life and still do, I am speedway, it’s my purpose and it breaks my heart to see the pinnacle of the sport in the Uk as such a low key event that won’t make a flutter to the outside world, I will be glued to the tv tonight but I haven’t got the feeling of missing out because it’s just a meeting and nothing else You know, I still love love it when people bleat on about how great World Finals are, and how we need to go back to them. Why? The racing was generally very poor. We went to Wembley for the experience, the atmosphere. We were able to ignore the quality of the racing because it was Wembley. What about 1981, I hear you say? Greatest final of all, thanks to the racing! No. It wasn't. There were TWO good races, that's it. 1976 was far superior racing wise. Trust me, Dean, I'm with you on nearly everything you post on here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted Friday at 02:14 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 02:14 PM (edited) 1 hour ago, tellboy said: Can't believe we are here in the city centre having a beer outside in our shorts.I love global warming🫣 What? In Manchester? There are pubs? Fill your boots mate, eat and drink as much as you can.... As the whole city closes at 9pm... They switch the electricity off... "I want Cardiff, WAH! WAH! WAH!"... Edited Friday at 02:15 PM by mikebv 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted Friday at 02:16 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 02:16 PM 1 minute ago, chunky said: You know, I still love love it when people bleat on about how great World Finals are, and how we need to go back to them. Why? The racing was generally very poor. We went to Wembley for the experience, the atmosphere. We were able to ignore the quality of the racing because it was Wembley. What about 1981, I hear you say? Greatest final of all, thanks to the racing! No. It wasn't. There were TWO good races, that's it. 1976 was far superior racing wise. Trust me, Dean, I'm with you on nearly everything you post on here... We were talking about Wembley this morning up the man cave and how poor the racing was but it was the atmosphere that made it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted Friday at 02:20 PM Author Report Share Posted Friday at 02:20 PM Sprint race result 1st 4 points Fricke 2nd 3 points Kurtz 3rd 2 points Zmarzlik 4th 1 point Vaculik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted Friday at 02:21 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 02:21 PM (edited) 5 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: We were talking about Wembley this morning up the man cave and how poor the racing was but it was the atmosphere that made it There isn't 25,000 fans who attend Speedway now... Back then, it was into the hundreds of thousands... Cloth is being cut accordingly... Edited Friday at 02:22 PM by mikebv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted Friday at 02:23 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 02:23 PM 2 minutes ago, racers and royals said: Sprint race result 1st 4 points Fricke 2nd 3 points Kurtz 3rd 2 points Zmarzlik 4th 1 point Vaculik Bartek, once again, struggling at the NSS... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted Friday at 02:23 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 02:23 PM 6 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: We were talking about Wembley this morning up the man cave and how poor the racing was but it was the atmosphere that made it 90,000 crazy speedway fans from all over Europe created the atmosphere. 6000 senior citizens doesn't quite do it, does it? 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted Friday at 02:24 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 02:24 PM 1 minute ago, mikebv said: There isn't 25,000 fans who attend Speedway now... Back then, it was into the hundreds of thoisamds... Cloth is being cut accordingly... There is a job at discovery going with that way of thinking 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted Friday at 02:29 PM Author Report Share Posted Friday at 02:29 PM Tonight’s draw 1 Kubera 2 Vaculik 3 Lindgren 4 Huckenbeck 5 Zmarzlik 6 C Wright 7 Lebedevs 8 Lambert 9 J Holder 10 Bewley 11 Michelsen 12 Kurtz 13 Doyle 14 Fricke 15 Kvech 16 Thomsen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TINYS Posted Friday at 02:39 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 02:39 PM What a load of nonsense that sprint race is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted Friday at 02:58 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 02:58 PM 37 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: We were talking about Wembley this morning up the man cave and how poor the racing was but it was the atmosphere that made it The tension makes for a great meeting for me - seen some great races without passing and many poor ones with. A faster rider going past a slower one is dull - outfoxing another rider by staying ahead or getting past is of course great to watch. I went to Cardiff a few times, including last year and always had a great time. I also went to the 1990 and 91 world finals, enjoyed them both as well, for different reasons but Manchester didn't attract me this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted Friday at 03:01 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 03:01 PM 35 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: There is a job at discovery going with that way of thinking 😂 And there is a vacancy to promote a GP in Cardiff... Do you fancy taking it on? Or maybe try Wembley?... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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