ShanoXtra Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 7 minutes ago, Rob B said: Leicester the same track Belle Vue won the championship on last year, Ipswich didn't. Also only lost 46-44 in first fixture. But no we can't ride it. As for Kurtz he only doing what Doyle did last Thursday, didn't see you complaining then. Kurtz got injured. Come back and then bailed again. Doyle got injured. Come back. And then rode for Ipswich after. Notice any difference in the above statements? He didn’t do the same did he. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinker Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 Really can't see what the problem with Kurtz is. Agree with previous posters, he had a bad crash at BV last weekend and probably aggravated a previous injury. I don't ride a motorcycle myself but if that crash happened to me, I probably wouldn't want to ride ever again! Anyway, BV are more or less guaranteed a play off place so why risk racing tonight when he has a GP at the weekend. He's riding for personal glory ( the ultimate dream as a speedway rider ) so if he had a bad come off tonight he'd be asking himself, why the hell did I ride tonight when there was not alot riding on it. Sensible decision in my view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjcone44 Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 thats when its needed 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 (edited) 52 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: The league / play-off scenario makes it easy for clubs not to care. In this case Belle Vue will have less points money to pay out, one less travel expense to pay out, doesn't hurt their home crowd & even a 70-20 tanking wouldn't hurt their title chances in the slightest. Get rid of the play-offs & clubs would care more! Many fans have now got into the habit of giving a few "dead rubbers" a miss, and saving a few quid... Or have took the stream package so won't cough up twice.. And then turning up in numbers for the play offs.. "Run of the mill Speedway", like tonight, doesn't, unfortunately, float the boat of too many... And the lads who will race in front of large five figure crowds 24 to 72 hours later, must also feel that lack of consequence as to the result, and the lack of a " decent crowd", which can only impact their performances... Edited June 19 by mikebv 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40-38 Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 1 minute ago, Tinker said: Really can't see what the problem with Kurtz is. Agree with previous posters, he had a bad crash at BV last weekend and probably aggravated a previous injury. I don't ride a motorcycle myself but if that crash happened to me, I probably wouldn't want to ride ever again! Anyway, BV are more or less guaranteed a play off place so why risk racing tonight when he has a GP at the weekend. He's riding for personal glory ( the ultimate dream as a speedway rider ) so if he had a bad come off tonight he'd be asking himself, why the hell did I ride tonight when there was not alot riding on it. Sensible decision in my view. In which case why bother with league racing at all? Why doesn't he quit BV and go for personal glory if its more important to him. Be honest. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjcone44 Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 4 minutes ago, IainB said: That's right... wasn't that when Lidsey brought his proper kit over from Poland for the last 4 matches 🤔 😁 thats when its needed. 😁 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShanoXtra Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 2 minutes ago, Tinker said: Really can't see what the problem with Kurtz is. Agree with previous posters, he had a bad crash at BV last weekend and probably aggravated a previous injury. I don't ride a motorcycle myself but if that crash happened to me, I probably wouldn't want to ride ever again! Anyway, BV are more or less guaranteed a play off place so why risk racing tonight when he has a GP at the weekend. He's riding for personal glory ( the ultimate dream as a speedway rider ) so if he had a bad come off tonight he'd be asking himself, why the hell did I ride tonight when there was not alot riding on it. Sensible decision in my view. I need to ask. Do Belle Vue fans actually think they are nailed on for play offs? Because watching tonight and also kings Lynn new found form I think you need to be slightly worried you’ll be finishing the league commitments early and only watching your beloved bewley and Kurtz on TV in the SGPs! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Tinker said: Really can't see what the problem with Kurtz is. Agree with previous posters, he had a bad crash at BV last weekend and probably aggravated a previous injury. I don't ride a motorcycle myself but if that crash happened to me, I probably wouldn't want to ride ever again! Anyway, BV are more or less guaranteed a play off place so why risk racing tonight when he has a GP at the weekend. He's riding for personal glory ( the ultimate dream as a speedway rider ) so if he had a bad come off tonight he'd be asking himself, why the hell did I ride tonight when there was not alot riding on it. Sensible decision in my view. The issue is he rode his final 2 rides proving his fitness to finish 2nd in the GP, then gave his club "commitment" a swerve thus mugging British Speedway off... again Edited June 19 by IainB 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjcone44 Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 1 minute ago, ShanoXtra said: I need to ask. Do Belle Vue fans actually think they are nailed on for play offs? Because watching tonight and also kings Lynn new found form I think you need to be slightly worried you’ll be finishing the league commitments early and only watching your beloved bewley and Kurtz on TV in the SGPs! we actually do. then its anybody's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob B Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 4 minutes ago, ShanoXtra said: Kurtz got injured. Come back and then bailed again. Doyle got injured. Come back. And then rode for Ipswich after. Notice any difference in the above statements? He didn’t do the same did he. Doyle not fit to ride for Ipswich on Thursday, fit to ride 24 hours later, NO DIFFERENCE. In case you missed it, Kurtz crashed again and has different injury now. But his name isn't Doyle so he not allowed to be injured. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 1 minute ago, 40-38 said: In which case why bother with league racing at all? Why doesn't he quit BV and go for personal glory if its more important to him. Be honest. These lads race over here because it is much less pressured and they can earn a decent few quid most nights, riding against lesser opponents... No full on, 20,000 fans in the stadium, demanding success... No chairman paying them hundreds of thousands demanding success, with clear consequence if they fail.. No national media showing your work and publicising your performances, with a magazine programme put together specifically to do just that.. Why bother with league racing at all? Over here? A good question, as it certainly hasn't been working for a couple of decades at least has it? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob B Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 4 minutes ago, IainB said: The issue is he rode his final 2 rides proving his fitness to finish 2nd in the GP, then have his club "commitment" a swerve this mugging British Speedway off... again You never heard of adrenaline then. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 (edited) 14 minutes ago, IainB said: That's right... wasn't that when Lidsey brought his proper kit over from Poland for the last 4 matches 🤔 😁 "Polish Speed" as Jason Crump used to describe it... Edited June 19 by mikebv 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 2 minutes ago, Rob B said: You never heard of adrenaline then. Fell off a motorbike a couple of times and got home both times... Hardly felt a thing... Ended up in bed for 3 days on the first occasion as did my ligaments in my left ankle and couldn't walk the next day... The body is very unforgiving when you cause trauma to it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShanoXtra Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 Bewley next on the injury list! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40-38 Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 5 minutes ago, mikebv said: These lads race over here because it is much less pressured and they can earn a decent few quid most nights, riding against lesser opponents... No full on, 20,000 fans in the stadium, demanding success... No chairman paying them hundreds of thousands demanding success, with clear consequence if they fail.. No national media showing your work and publicising your performances, with a magazine programme put together specifically to do just that.. Why bother with league racing at all? Over here? A good question, as it certainly hasn't been working for a couple of decades at least has it? Point is, if all they're racing for is easy money and no pressure people can't complain if he gets a roasting for seemingly picking his meetings. That's something I'd level at a lot of riders, not just Kurtz BTW. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie456 Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 24 minutes ago, mikebv said: Not at all... BV will still be around next year... (Probably)... In fact.... I would suggest Birmingham are the new Wolves.... Lol typical Belle Vue fan still sour grapes about then never beating us in play offs 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShanoXtra Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 (edited) 11 minutes ago, mikebv said: These lads race over here because it is much less pressured and they can earn a decent few quid most nights, riding against lesser opponents... No full on, 20,000 fans in the stadium, demanding success... No chairman paying them hundreds of thousands demanding success, with clear consequence if they fail.. No national media showing your work and publicising your performances, with a magazine programme put together specifically to do just that.. Why bother with league racing at all? Over here? A good question, as it certainly hasn't been working for a couple of decades at least has it? 1. What matches have you watched in Poland with 20,000 in a stadium in the league? Barr none. 2. What are the clear consequences you speak of? Lots of teams fail in the league and they keep the riders and riders still demand top money in the contracts. People need to stop acting like riders are scared to make a mistake in Poland or they’ll lose their money or job. Polish media stated riders are overpaid and have more power than the teams in recent years and the finances of Polish żużel need to be looked at. Edited June 19 by ShanoXtra . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 Just now, Wolfie456 said: Lol typical Belle Vue fan still sour grapes about then never beating us in play offs 1993..... One point. .. I can still see the lady's face in the "Megastore/Tent with a wallpaper paste table with a cloth on it", when I asked her if she had any "Wolves Champions '93" car stickers I could buy, as we left... There must have been around four boxes!!!! Happy days. . Great racing, great atmosphere, great rivalries.. Where did it all go wrong?... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShanoXtra Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 16 minutes ago, Rob B said: Doyle not fit to ride for Ipswich on Thursday, fit to ride 24 hours later, NO DIFFERENCE. In case you missed it, Kurtz crashed again and has different injury now. But his name isn't Doyle so he not allowed to be injured. One moment, this wall is talking to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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