Ipswich v Sheffield 4th September

[szkocjasid]

14 minutes ago, ShanoXtra said:

Well that is so embarrassing for the Ipswich riders, needing to be beaten away to then decide to turn up at home, if that’s the case they have disrespected all the paying home fans, so I would suggest the above is untrue or there would be many unhappy fans. Also, Brennan commented that Sheffield were gating better and we have things still to work on for next week. So let’s as Ipswich fans, stop making excuses for them.

Agree with all of that. 

[TTT]

Haven't been impressed with the Witches for a couple of months now.

If the Witches don't get it right in the play-offs then Ipswich will be the biggest disappointment of the 2025 season and I include Birmingham and Oxford in that statement.

Edited 11 hours ago by TTT

[DaveWayne]

1 minute ago, Aries said:

Don’t agree with that. It was just a very flat and poor performance, and Sheffield were very good and thoroughly deserved their win. Pickering was excellent 

Wasn't there so can't comment on the actual performance. Just saying that you can't assume that Sheffield would have finished top. Anything could have happened last night that could have affected performances today. It just seems that every season, supposed supporters of speedway seem to want to spend the whole time ripping it to pieces and finding fault with it rather than enjoying what we have. The table is what it is, the playoffs are what they are. Whether you agree with them or not, that is how the sport functions now. Better to embrace it than vilify it.

Speedway is a secondary sport to me as I was brought up on 4 wheeled motorsport and spend my weekends travelling the country watching stock car racing. By the same token as many on here say about speedway, stock car racing is nowhere near the sport it was in the 70s and 80s, but you can either let that get you down and moan about it, or you can enjoy what you have while it is still there. I have said for a while that stock car racing has 10-15 years left as either environmentalists or H&S will bring it to an end. I don't want to be sat there when it is all gone wishing I had done more, I would much rather get the most out of what is on offer while I still can.

[GeneralMelchett]

8 minutes ago, DaveWayne said:

Wasn't there so can't comment on the actual performance. Just saying that you can't assume that Sheffield would have finished top. Anything could have happened last night that could have affected performances today. It just seems that every season, supposed supporters of speedway seem to want to spend the whole time ripping it to pieces and finding fault with it rather than enjoying what we have. The table is what it is, the playoffs are what they are. Whether you agree with them or not, that is how the sport functions now. Better to embrace it than vilify it.

Speedway is a secondary sport to me as I was brought up on 4 wheeled motorsport and spend my weekends travelling the country watching stock car racing. By the same token as many on here say about speedway, stock car racing is nowhere near the sport it was in the 70s and 80s, but you can either let that get you down and moan about it, or you can enjoy what you have while it is still there. I have said for a while that stock car racing has 10-15 years left as either environmentalists or H&S will bring it to an end. I don't want to be sat there when it is all gone wishing I had done more, I would much rather get the most out of what is on offer while I still can.

Well said - sometimes you just have to live in and enjoy the moment, and on that note congrats to Sheffield, Ipswich will have to show much more in the playoffs which I am sure they will!

[ShanoXtra]

13 minutes ago, DaveWayne said:

Wasn't there so can't comment on the actual performance. Just saying that you can't assume that Sheffield would have finished top. Anything could have happened last night that could have affected performances today. It just seems that every season, supposed supporters of speedway seem to want to spend the whole time ripping it to pieces and finding fault with it rather than enjoying what we have. The table is what it is, the playoffs are what they are. Whether you agree with them or not, that is how the sport functions now. Better to embrace it than vilify it.

Speedway is a secondary sport to me as I was brought up on 4 wheeled motorsport and spend my weekends travelling the country watching stock car racing. By the same token as many on here say about speedway, stock car racing is nowhere near the sport it was in the 70s and 80s, but you can either let that get you down and moan about it, or you can enjoy what you have while it is still there. I have said for a while that stock car racing has 10-15 years left as either environmentalists or H&S will bring it to an end. I don't want to be sat there when it is all gone wishing I had done more, I would much rather get the most out of what is on offer while I still can.

Whilst I agree with what you said in principle, it’s a different feeling when you are at the stadium, paid £24, and the team just doesn’t perform when it is time to shine, same as Lynn knocking us out of the cup, we will get knocked out of play offs if the same team performance arises next week. The passion of the sports fan is what keeps the sport alive, not the casual fan who dips in and out. Speedway is different from stock cars, this is your team, it’s your club, these riders should be riding for your home town and representing it as best they can, in my personal opinion.

[foreverblue]

55 minutes ago, ShanoXtra said:

Nobody making any comments about how it should have been Sheffield vs Belle Vue next week? Everyone knows Ipswich would have been beaten at Sheffield thus making the league :

1. Sheffield

2. Ipswich

3. Leicester

4. Belle Vue

Same circus as last year and same clowns involved. 

But are not Ipswich still 3 points ahead so if Sheffield win at home they are level so it would go down to points difference.

[ShanoXtra]

5 minutes ago, foreverblue said:

But are not Ipswich still 3 points ahead so if Sheffield win at home they are level so it would go down to points difference.

It was stated last week Sheffield win both matches and they finish top.

[GeneralMelchett]

9 minutes ago, ShanoXtra said:

Whilst I agree with what you said in principle, it’s a different feeling when you are at the stadium, paid £24, and the team just doesn’t perform when it is time to shine, same as Lynn knocking us out of the cup, we will get knocked out of play offs if the same team performance arises next week. The passion of the sports fan is what keeps the sport alive, not the casual fan who dips in and out. Speedway is different from stock cars, this is your team, it’s your club, these riders should be riding for your home town and representing it as best they can, in my personal opinion.

Equally we as fans have to understand the saying no plan survives first contact - the beauty of sport of whilst we all turn up and hope and expect our team to win (or lose) sometimes things just don’t work out - sometimes sh it just happens! 
 

Edited 11 hours ago by GeneralMelchett

[ShanoXtra]

17 minutes ago, GeneralMelchett said:

Equally we as fans have to understand the saying no plan survives first contact - the beauty of sport of whilst we all turn up and hope and expect our team to win (or lose) sometimes things just don’t work out - sometimes sh it just happens! 
 

Sometimes… is every-time with Ipswich though. If they don’t do this season with that team then I don’t hold out much hope any other year. Sometimes, people need to just stand up and be counted, and win a title.

[szkocjasid]

3 hours ago, DaveWayne said:

Home advantage in play offs ? 

Both teams race at home in the play-offs

[szkocjasid]

3 hours ago, Roger Jacobs said:

I think they’ve mucked-up the balance of the team - it must have been an error to allow Thompson’s average to creep above Ellis’s by 0.04 … no excuses.

I would hope no team manager would ever tell a rider to throw a race to keep his average below a teammate, same with Leicester wanting Becker to be 2nd in the averages when injured.

By all means tell a certain rider(s) to pick up bonus points on 5-1s / 3-3s but certainly don't tell them to drop points on purpose.

[2ndbend]

I was at foxhall tonight and it was the flattest meeting I've witnessed this season...why is Hawkins messing with riding orders (everyone know Adam rides best with Jason and Dan with Emil and Danny and Tom hardly ever team ride) and then right from heat 1 to 15, it was a sh*t show... how can Danny get his Foxhall bike set up so wrong after all these years... why did Adam only turn up for one heat... and heat 15 I can't get my head around it...

[SUPERACE]

2 hours ago, foreverblue said:

Why should I be? I dont really care who wins as long as its not Belle Vue!!

Don't want the gap at the top widening hey blue.  14x🏆♣️🤣

[SUPERACE]

1 hour ago, foreverblue said:

But are not Ipswich still 3 points ahead so if Sheffield win at home they are level so it would go down to points difference.

Sheffield are ahead on race points.

[RoundTheBoards]

47 minutes ago, 2ndbend said:

why is Hawkins messing with riding orders 

Seems a bit odd having Doyle at No.3.    Think I'd want Emil and Doyle at 1 & 5 for heat 13.   

Surely he'll want them at 1&5 next week against Kurtz & Bewley?

 

[tyler42]

3 hours ago, SPEEDY69 said:

Well, Sheffield deserved that. They looked hungrier and way happier on the very slick track than Ipswich. King was awful in his first two rides, Thompson has gone backwards at Foxhall and Edwards is not at this level. Hawkins howler not putting Ellis in in place of Edwards, Ht 12 I think. Holder made some good starts near the end Gate 2 was seemingly best. Ipswich will be nervous heading into next week. 

He has been been one of the better RS's imo and has the third highest average behind Flint and Jenkins. 

[SaddlebowRoad]

6 hours ago, szkocjasid said:

Both teams race at home in the play-offs

they clearly mean having the second leg at home 

[cowboy cookie returns?]

Ipswich will certainly need to ride better than that next week. 
 

For me it looks like Thompson isn’t fully fit & possibly riding too much.

The team has been inconsistent for the last couple of months.

Sheffield deserved that last night far shaper & more up for it.

Now I’m not the biggest fan of Jack Holder or Simon Stead. However last night Jack demonstrated how to team ride hats of to him & Stead came across very well in his post match interview, and seemed genuinely thankful for the amount Ipswich raised for the riders benefit fund.

A disappointing night all round for Ipswich but not the end of the world, could be if they ride like that next week!

Finally what a talent Cooper Rushen is, his third ride in the second half 0.1 of a second slower than heat 2 of the main meeting.

[GeneralMelchett]

8 hours ago, ShanoXtra said:

Sometimes… is every-time with Ipswich though. If they don’t do this season with that team then I don’t hold out much hope any other year. Sometimes, people need to just stand up and be counted, and win a title.

Well let’s see they haven’t won or lost anything yet! 

[GeneralMelchett]

46 minutes ago, cowboy cookie returns? said:

Ipswich will certainly need to ride better than that next week. 
 

For me it looks like Thompson isn’t fully fit & possibly riding too much.

The team has been inconsistent for the last couple of months.

Sheffield deserved that last night far shaper & more up for it.

Now I’m not the biggest fan of Jack Holder or Simon Stead. However last night Jack demonstrated how to team ride hats of to him & Stead came across very well in his post match interview, and seemed genuinely thankful for the amount Ipswich raised for the riders benefit fund.

A disappointing night all round for Ipswich but not the end of the world, could be if they ride like that next week!

Finally what a talent Cooper Rushen is, his third ride in the second half 0.1 of a second slower than heat 2 of the main meeting.

Been seeing Coopers videos on Facebook - he looks really good!