1 valve Posted 5 hours ago Report Share Posted 5 hours ago 15 hours ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: I reckon there's a possibility that only 2 need to be integrated - which perversely may help the situation!! Which two? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 5 hours ago Report Share Posted 5 hours ago 32 minutes ago, poole keith said: does louis play poker?? is this a bluff?? which raises the question is he a good poker player?? I cannot understand why he would bluff... What's to be gained? A seven team Premiership last year was crap with four teams a shoe in for the Play Offs from before a wheel was turned... A six team Premiership team this year will be even more crap... Anyone channel hopping whilst watching on TV last year would see the league table and think there was just seven teams in the UK.. And if they get a TV deal for next season, just six teams was deemed acceptable... Dreadful optics to put out to anyone watching.. At least with a 14 team league table the channel hoppers may notice their own town mentioned, or maybe a town nearby, and, for the first time, find out a Speedway Team exists near to them.. And a 14 team league table makes the sport look like it's "National", not a tiny entity ran in just six or seven places.. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted 5 hours ago Report Share Posted 5 hours ago 1 minute ago, mikebv said: I cannot understand why he would bluff... What's to be gained? A seven team Premiership last year was crap with four teams a shoe in for the Play Offs from before a wheel was turned... A six team Premiership team this year will be even more crap... Anyone channel hopping whilst watching on TV last year would see the league table and think there was just seven teams in the UK.. And if they get a TV deal for next season, just six teams was deemed acceptable... Dreadful optics to put out to anyone watching.. At least with a 14 team league table the channel hoppers may notice their own town mentioned, or maybe a town nearby, and, for the first time, find out a Speedway Team exists near to them.. And a 14 team league table makes the sport look like it's "National", not a tiny entity ran in just six or seven places.. Exactly this, the 1 big league with Ipswich and belle vue in it is actually quite an exciting prospect imo 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted 5 hours ago Report Share Posted 5 hours ago (edited) 2 hours ago, FishersGate said: So if the premiership is dead what are the solutions? Two leagues (champ and NDL) one super League? Challenge matches? Two seasons combined into calender year so share around riders. North Vs South? God knows. If it is two leagues then clubs like Leicester, Lynn and Belle Vue will be far behind in terms of team building . In Leicester’s case they could elect to run on (say) Thursday meaning for home matches from this years team Douglas, Becker, Howarth could be retained for starters with the addition of Dan Thompson and maybe even the promoters son will come into the equation. Admittedly, a few guests and R/R will be required for away meetings but very strong home performances will keep the fans happy. Edited 5 hours ago by 1 valve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 10 minutes ago, mikebv said: I cannot understand why he would bluff... What's to be gained? A seven team Premiership last year was crap with four teams a shoe in for the Play Offs from before a wheel was turned... A six team Premiership team this year will be even more crap... Anyone channel hopping whilst watching on TV last year would see the league table and think there was just seven teams in the UK.. And if they get a TV deal for next season, just six teams was deemed acceptable... Dreadful optics to put out to anyone watching.. At least with a 14 team league table the channel hoppers may notice their own town mentioned, or maybe a town nearby, and, for the first time, find out a Speedway Team exists near to them.. And a 14 team league table makes the sport look like it's "National", not a tiny entity ran in just six or seven places.. Your post made some good points and was making sense until the bit about a 14 team league which would be just impossible to have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago (edited) 19 minutes ago, 1 valve said: Your post made some good points and was making sense until the bit about a 14 team league which would be just impossible to have. If there are more than 70 riders want to ride over here then it is very doable... Depending on capability levels, you might be required to set up the heats formula so those with similar levels of capability race against each other more often.. Similar to what they did a few years ago when the HL's met more often during the meeting.. And five rider teams, 14 heats, will ensure plenty of rides for those who still wish to be "full time".. A New Dawn..... Edited 4 hours ago by mikebv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago (edited) 3 minutes ago, mikebv said: A New Dawn..... ... "a new era" 😂 How did that work out? 😂 Edited 4 hours ago by IainB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago (edited) 1 hour ago, poole keith said: does louis play poker?? is this a bluff?? which raises the question is he a good poker player?? Not a joke, I can 100% confirm this. Barely anyone wanted to make an effort just like every other year so Chris finally said F this I'm off because enough is enough. Edited 4 hours ago by TTT 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 4 minutes ago, IainB said: ... "a new era" 😂 How did that work out? 😂 That's why I didn't use that... This is very different... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago (edited) 22 minutes ago, mikebv said: If there are more than 70 riders want to ride over here then it is very doable... Depending on capability levels. You might need to set up the heats formula so those with similar levels of capability race against each other more often.. Similar to what they did a few years ago when the HL's met more often... And five rider teams, 14 heats, will ensure plenty of rides for those who still wish to be "full time".. A New Dawn..... In Chris Louis announcement he said he had informed all promoters of his decision. In the case of the BSPL board it would be a fair presumption they were amongst the first to know & most probably at least a week ago. In this weeks Star the BSPL chairman stated he he was confident all significant plans for 2026 would be agreed and in place by the end of November. He has also stated there will be two leagues. For this to come to fruition and a balanced approach to team building be adopted the we would be looking at a “top flight” of seven teams and a second tier of Six teams - With a strong possibility that at least one club who raced this year will not come to the tapes in 2026. The top flight will be fully professional with the second tier comprising lower average riders from tier one joined by semi/pro NDL types. Edited 4 hours ago by 1 valve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 1 hour ago, Aries said: It isn’t a bluff unfortunately. He’s has an absolute gutful of pi$$ing in the wind. He’s done. When one considers that Louis is one of the 2 Premiership promoters on the 'top BSPL table' of 4, it seems unlikely that he hasn't had his way on a number of issues that sees the sport where it is today. For once it seems that the Prem haven't got their way and now Ippo -' a well run, profitable club' by all accounts - are seeking a new owner. Surely any prospective (or existing) promoters will be forming an orderly queue at Louis' door?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poole keith Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago None of my business, but is selling up a good financial decision?If he finds a buyer how much money is he going to pocket? Forgetting his commendable ambitions and principles why not run a team at championship level and make a profit every season aka Poole speedway,he loves the sport and would be making money ,what's wrong with that? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racin Jason 72 Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago 14 minutes ago, poole keith said: None of my business, but is selling up a good financial decision?If he finds a buyer how much money is he going to pocket? Forgetting his commendable ambitions and principles why not run a team at championship level and make a profit every season aka Poole speedway,he loves the sport and would be making money ,what's wrong with that? Maybe because he is thinking of the good of the sport rather than his own business interests and filling his pockets ?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago I was just thinking yesterday I wonder if I gave up on speedway and put my heart and sole into some other sport that after a couple of years I would be thinking this sport is a real mess and maybe speedway isn’t such a shambles after all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitch Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago (edited) 1 hour ago, 1 valve said: In this weeks Star the BSPL chairman stated he he was confident all significant plans for 2026 would be agreed and in place by the end of November. He has also stated there will be two leagues. For this to come to fruition and a balanced approach to team building be adopted the we would be looking at a “top flight” of seven teams and a second tier of Six teams - With a strong possibility that at least one club who raced this year will not come to the tapes in 2026. The top flight will be fully professional with the second tier comprising lower average riders from tier one joined by semi/pro NDL types. So I'd be rather interested to know why Chris Louis and Ritchie Hawkins were not happy with the 2026 league structure. As described above by the BSPL chairman. Edited 3 hours ago by Pitch 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinker Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 3 hours ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: One thing I really don’t get is the obsession to why we need a premier league, 1 league would just make the championship the top league with more variety for fans, I could understand up till now because of tv money which selfishly the didnt want to share with the championship clubs but that’s not there anymore, the thought of belle vue riding against Poole or Glasgow or Workington is something different for the fans and personally find exciting, the championship has a hell of a lot to offer and imo a lot more than the premier for a couple of years, so I say to the top 5 teams embrace it for a year and if in a years time a couple more teams are back on the scene look at 2 leagues again, we have an opportunity for a reset of the sport here but again we will probably miss the opportunity like we always do Hey Dean, I've been posting as much recently. I don't have an affiliation to any club in particular, I'm just a Speedway fan who subscribes to BSN. Over the past couple of years I must admit I've enjoyed the Championship matches more than the Premiership. The matches seem to be more grittier and the riders generally appear to have more commitment. People seem to slag off Plymouth but the racing always seems to be close and not strung out. The matches involving Glasgow, Redcar, Poole etc are always worth watching. Variety is the spice of life and one league could give British Speedway a real shot in the arm. Belle Vue away at Edinburgh, Sheffield away at Plymouth etc. Something new for a change instead of the same old, same old etc. Finally, this forum is getting more depressing by the day. I realise there are major obstacles to overcome but what is happening at the moment is just maybe what the sport needed, a massive shake up! I visited my doctor recently as I've been feeling down, fed up and depressed. Is it the cold damp weather or the fact I've just been made redundant etc. After speaking to my doctor at length, he advised me to come off this forum! Just joking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk127 Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago (edited) As an aside, I see Swaffham raceway is for sale at £1.6m so if someone has deep pockets you have a ready made arena and probably a better chance of gaining punters rather than Northampton albeit I guess Kings Lynn would not be happy but hey, it could be for the good of the sport so some sacrifices need to be made. No one really complained when you had several tracks operating in London at the same time. It says the current owners would consider leasing it. Edited 2 hours ago by Hawk127 Added sentence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therefused Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago (edited) 7 minutes ago, Hawk127 said: As an aside, I see Swaffham raceway is for sale at £1.6m so if someone has deep pockets you have a ready made arena and probably a better chance of gaining punters rather than Northampton albeit I guess Kings Lynn would not be happy but hey, it could be for the good of the sport so some sacrifices need to be made. No one really complained when you had several tracks operating in London at the same time. It says the current owners would consider leasing it. Think I read previously that this has been looked at fairly recently but there’s a rule that means it can’t happen as it’s too close to Kings Lynn? Edited 2 hours ago by therefused Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago 1 hour ago, Pitch said: So I'd be rather interested to know why Chris Louis and Ritchie Hawkins were not happy with the 2026 league structure. As described above by the BSPL chairman. To be clear Rob Godfrey was only quoted on saying there will be two leagues next year. I added thesplit and the concept of pro and semi pro leagues simply because with 7 man teams there would still be the need for double ups. Clearly the point limit for tier one will need to be reduced from this years Premiership and thus the knock on to tier two. As for Chris Louis, I suspect he wanted to continue with a format that could include the opportunity of top riders as he has seen the success both on the track and financially what this can bring to a well promoted club. it would not be hard to imagine that Chris's views were not shared by the majority of the other promoters and so in some way he was backed into a corner - although clearly believes that what will be announce would not meet his expectations. Chris (and maybe Ritchie too ) wanted a league with GP quality riders, and just didn't see that UK speedway giving up on the opportunity for all fans to see the likes of Jason Doyle, Max Fricke, Dan Bewley, Brady Kurz and suchlike was the way forward - and so he bailed out at the top. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago 2 hours ago, 1 valve said: In Chris Louis announcement he said he had informed all promoters of his decision. In the case of the BSPL board it would be a fair presumption they were amongst the first to know & most probably at least a week ago. In this weeks Star the BSPL chairman stated he he was confident all significant plans for 2026 would be agreed and in place by the end of November. He has also stated there will be two leagues. For this to come to fruition and a balanced approach to team building be adopted the we would be looking at a “top flight” of seven teams and a second tier of Six teams - With a strong possibility that at least one club who raced this year will not come to the tapes in 2026. The top flight will be fully professional with the second tier comprising lower average riders from tier one joined by semi/pro NDL types. Reading that piece in the star reads like we going to decimate the championship to run our flawed system in the premier, think the championship teams should have a meeting, ditch the bspl, form their own governing body and start a new sport under the Nora banner 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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