DaveWayne Posted 11 hours ago Report Share Posted 11 hours ago 59 minutes ago, Phannan said: Congratulations to all those clubs who didn’t act on their problems this season, therefore offering sub standard below par entertainment to the paying customers home and away. No congratulations though to the club that did act , addressed their problem, kept up the entertainment home and away to the paying public and achieved what is looking like a successful season. Acting professional in a professional sport. Who’d have thought it. There’s always next season where hopefully it’ll be more meaningful for you. If your sorry clubs can be ars*d that is. Didn't act or couldn't act ? Were Belle Vue just lucky that Bewley got injured before Holder ? If it had been the other way round and Sheffield had already snapped up Doyle, how would Belle Vue have dealt with that ? Who are you suggesting that Sheffield should have replaced Holder with ? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark.1 Posted 11 hours ago Report Share Posted 11 hours ago (edited) Norick was right about Ipsh*t Edited 11 hours ago by mark.1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted 9 hours ago Report Share Posted 9 hours ago 3 hours ago, gjcone44 said: heres another clued up speedway fan.. So you think your 1-7 this season looked stronger than last seasons?? What a moronic statement … you replaced your third heat leader with Oxfords number 6 What happened was riders like Blodorn Cook and Tate got better… You then had everything fall into place with 2 teams , Ipswich and Northampton fielding last minute makeshift teams …… Lynn are just Lynn …. Sheffield lost their top man…… might have been interesting if Holder was injured before Bewley where Doyle went All the cards fell into place for Belle vue in a season most fans of other clubs are bored with Maybe next season Belle Vue might lost Kurtz , Bewley , Cook and Tate ….. and replace them with Lawson Musielek Nicholls and Juhl Pedersen and see how they find it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted 9 hours ago Report Share Posted 9 hours ago 3 hours ago, gjcone44 said: heres another clued up speedway fan.. So you think your 1-7 this season looked stronger than last seasons?? What a moronic statement … you replaced your third heat leader with Oxfords number 6 What happened was riders like Blodorn Cook and Tate got better… You then had everything fall into place with 2 teams , Ipswich and Northampton fielding last minute makeshift teams …… Lynn are just Lynn …. Sheffield lost their top man…… might have been interesting if Holder was injured before Bewley where Doyle went All the cards fell into place for Belle vue in a season most fans of other clubs are bored with Maybe next season Belle Vue might lost Kurtz , Bewley , Cook and Tate ….. and replace them with Lawson Musielek Nicholls and Juhl Pedersen and see how they find it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aries Posted 8 hours ago Report Share Posted 8 hours ago 3 hours ago, Bagpuss said: I think I went with Sheffield to finish top/win the title. The loss of Holder was obviously huge for them but BV have comfortably been the best side regardless. PK, Tate & Cairns were the question marks but all have been excellent and therein lies the difference I'd suggest. Can’t remember mine exactly but I remember we were in agreement at the start that the league looked to be in three parts. Northampton alone at the bottom due to them having a team of leftovers that even we left behind (with all due respect to them!), then a “meh” middle group of Lynn, Ipswich and Leicester, then a clear top two of Sheffield and Belle Vue. So even before a wheel was turned I think just about everyone predicted it was a two horse race which isn’t great really. Circumstances meant two teams were way behind everyone else and were never going to compete and when you only have a six team set up to start with, that obviously isn’t ideal. No matter what team you support, think we all agree that we want something much much better next season and beyond. Needs an extra team minimum, ideally two. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phannan Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago 7 hours ago, DaveWayne said: Didn't act or couldn't act ? Were Belle Vue just lucky that Bewley got injured before Holder ? If it had been the other way round and Sheffield had already snapped up Doyle, how would Belle Vue have dealt with that ? Who are you suggesting that Sheffield should have replaced Holder with ? Didn’t. Was up to them to show the ambition and ££ to solve that problem as we all know money talks. Fricke won’t have signed for peanuts so they’ve obviously got the funds. It’s not my job to suggest anything regarding replacement riders. More like Stead’s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago This seasons "tin pot" league, of just six teams, certainly doesn't stack up against last seasons magnificently auspicious league of seven teams.. A league where the bottom two teams scored an excellent 17 points (combined), from their 48 matches, with seven tremendous victories in those forty eight matches being attained, four of those victories coming by one of them beating the other, meaning, therefore, that 10 of the 17 points they scored together came in those four matches.. And their combined total was just 13 points behind the fifth placed team, and just 26 behind the team who topped the league... A hugely impressive, prestigious league to win last season without any doubt, and one which will go down, I am sure, in the annals of history as one of the greatest ever, as the sport nears its centenary... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phannan Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 40 minutes ago, mikebv said: This seasons "tin pot" league, of just six teams, certainly doesn't stack up against last seasons magnificently auspicious league of seven teams.. A league where the bottom two teams scored an excellent 17 points (combined), from their 48 matches, with seven tremendous victories in those forty eight matches being attained, four of those victories coming by one of them beating the other, meaning, therefore, that 10 of the 17 points they scored together came in those four matches.. And their combined total was just 13 points behind the fifth placed team, and just 26 behind the team who topped the league... A hugely impressive, prestigious league to win last season without any doubt, and one which will go down, I am sure, in the annals of history as one of the greatest ever, as the sport nears its centenary... Every time the witches win something it’s obviously prestigious and challenging and to be congratulated. Thank god it very rarely happens.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjcone44 Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago 8 hours ago, Gavan said: So you think your 1-7 this season looked stronger than last seasons?? What a moronic statement … you replaced your third heat leader with Oxfords number 6 What happened was riders like Blodorn Cook and Tate got better… You then had everything fall into place with 2 teams , Ipswich and Northampton fielding last minute makeshift teams …… Lynn are just Lynn …. Sheffield lost their top man…… might have been interesting if Holder was injured before Bewley where Doyle went All the cards fell into place for Belle vue in a season most fans of other clubs are bored with Maybe next season Belle Vue might lost Kurtz , Bewley , Cook and Tate ….. and replace them with Lawson Musielek Nicholls and Juhl Pedersen and see how they find it your the king of hindsight..🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Irving Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago 1 hour ago, mikebv said: This seasons "tin pot" league, of just six teams, certainly doesn't stack up against last seasons magnificently auspicious league of seven teams.. A league where the bottom two teams scored an excellent 17 points (combined), from their 48 matches, with seven tremendous victories in those forty eight matches being attained, four of those victories coming by one of them beating the other, meaning, therefore, that 10 of the 17 points they scored together came in those four matches.. And their combined total was just 13 points behind the fifth placed team, and just 26 behind the team who topped the league... A hugely impressive, prestigious league to win last season without any doubt, and one which will go down, I am sure, in the annals of history as one of the greatest ever, as the sport nears its centenary... Yeah, let’s not even try to pretend that this season is remotely similar to last shall we? I know you’ll do your best to, because your team is likely to win it and you want the same plaudits for it, but let’s not be silly here. There were four genuine contenders last season, unlike the two this year. Last year every one of the seven clubs had an equal opportunity to be competitive, if two of them failed to do that then tough, their problem. They had no disadvantages. This year, two clubs could be written off immediately through no fault of their own and BOTH clubs didn’t have the same opportunity as the four others in being competitive so it wasn’t a level playing field. That’s just stating facts. There was a winter of discontent many years ago with the infamous Coventry/Peterborough shenanigans, but that paled in to insignificance compared to last winter. It was a set of circumstances unlike anything we’ve seen before and it caused an awful lot of damage to the brand. No confirmed league, no fixtures, no season tickets, literally weeks before the usual season would normally start. A protracted takeover at Ipswich was confirmed on February 28th, Northampton were cobbled together a week later on March 5th. The whole situation was a complete farce, embarrassing for everyone concerned and this year was always supposed to be a sticking plaster, a season to push through in preparation for a more serious league set up in 2027. People are going to be pleased with what they hear on 2027 in due course, wait for the announcements. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilTheAce Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago If we win I'll enjoy this like the last few wins. As every aces fan should. Or leicester and sheffield fans should if they win. Funny how its only the teams knocked out of play offs moaning. Although they still got 15 races to turn it round 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilTheAce Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago If we win I'll enjoy this like the last few wins. As every aces fan should. Or leicester and sheffield fans should if they win. Funny how its only the teams knocked out of play offs moaning. Although they still got 15 races to turn it round Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveWayne Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago 2 hours ago, Phannan said: Didn’t. Was up to them to show the ambition and ££ to solve that problem as we all know money talks. Fricke won’t have signed for peanuts so they’ve obviously got the funds. It’s not my job to suggest anything regarding replacement riders. More like Stead’s It doesn't matter how much money you have if the riders aren't available. How many GP standard riders were available in mid June that would have any interest in riding in the UK, let alone riders of Holder's quality ? You know as well as everyone does that you landed lucky to get Doyle in to replace Bewley, and without that your season could have looked a lot different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted 1 hour ago Author Report Share Posted 1 hour ago 12 minutes ago, PhilTheAce said: If we win I'll enjoy this like the last few wins. As every aces fan should. Or leicester and sheffield fans should if they win. Funny how its only the teams knocked out of play offs moaning. Although they still got 15 races to turn it round You've won a league that most fans and promotions gave up on weeks ago. It's hardly an achievement tbh, Nobody was willing to throw even more money down a drain just to mount a challenge to Belle Vue in a season that will never be held or remembered in a positive light. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilTheAce Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago 3 minutes ago, TTT said: You've won a league that most fans and promotions gave up on weeks ago. It's hardly an achievement tbh, Nobody was willing to throw even more money down a drain just to mount a challenge to Belle Vue in a season that will never be held or remembered in a positive light. No ones won the league yet. So your argument is pointless. Go on ipswich thread and f off from the Belle vue one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilTheAce Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago 21 minutes ago, DaveWayne said: It doesn't matter how much money you have if the riders aren't available. How many GP standard riders were available in mid June that would have any interest in riding in the UK, let alone riders of Holder's quality ? You know as well as everyone does that you landed lucky to get Doyle in to replace Bewley, and without that your season could have looked a lot different. One other rider was coming over. No one could strike a deal. Unfortunately if you want riders of top quality you have to spend more than you want to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted 51 minutes ago Report Share Posted 51 minutes ago 2 hours ago, mikebv said: This seasons "tin pot" league, of just six teams, certainly doesn't stack up against last seasons magnificently auspicious league of seven teams.. A league where the bottom two teams scored an excellent 17 points (combined), from their 48 matches, with seven tremendous victories in those forty eight matches being attained, four of those victories coming by one of them beating the other, meaning, therefore, that 10 of the 17 points they scored together came in those four matches.. And their combined total was just 13 points behind the fifth placed team, and just 26 behind the team who topped the league... A hugely impressive, prestigious league to win last season without any doubt, and one which will go down, I am sure, in the annals of history as one of the greatest ever, as the sport nears its centenary... Last season 4 teams could have won the play offs … this season only 1 Not Belle Vues fault but this season is miles away from last seasons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted 47 minutes ago Report Share Posted 47 minutes ago 1 hour ago, gjcone44 said: your the king of hindsight..🤣 So as I say again ar the start of the season you looked weaker than last year I’m sure the averages of Blodorn Tate and Cook have risen plus Cairns I would also imagine that Kildemand has not averaged what Lidsey did last season ….. therefore I was right to assume you looked weaker The improvements of the second strings and even Doyle doing better than Bewley has made you clear favourites Let’s face it last season Ipswich got lucky getting Belle Vue in the semis when we had Doyle and Emil … this year Belle Vue had to beat Lawson and Nicholls …. Big difference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 41 minutes ago Report Share Posted 41 minutes ago 50 minutes ago, Steve Irving said: Yeah, let’s not even try to pretend that this season is remotely similar to last shall we? I know you’ll do your best to, because your team is likely to win it and you want the same plaudits for it, but let’s not be silly here. There were four genuine contenders last season, unlike the two this year. Last year every one of the seven clubs had an equal opportunity to be competitive, if two of them failed to do that then tough, their problem. They had no disadvantages. This year, two clubs could be written off immediately through no fault of their own and BOTH clubs didn’t have the same opportunity as the four others in being competitive so it wasn’t a level playing field. That’s just stating facts. There was a winter of discontent many years ago with the infamous Coventry/Peterborough shenanigans, but that paled in to insignificance compared to last winter. It was a set of circumstances unlike anything we’ve seen before and it caused an awful lot of damage to the brand. No confirmed league, no fixtures, no season tickets, literally weeks before the usual season would normally start. A protracted takeover at Ipswich was confirmed on February 28th, Northampton were cobbled together a week later on March 5th. The whole situation was a complete farce, embarrassing for everyone concerned and this year was always supposed to be a sticking plaster, a season to push through in preparation for a more serious league set up in 2027. People are going to be pleased with what they hear on 2027 in due course, wait for the announcements. UK Speedway is contrived and cobbled together every season.... Therefore. No one season has less, or more, meaning than any other.... Hopefully, that ends this season and it gets the complete reset it needs... That way, it may become relevant, and more notice will be taken of it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 34 minutes ago Report Share Posted 34 minutes ago 27 minutes ago, TTT said: You've won a league that most fans and promotions gave up on weeks ago. It's hardly an achievement tbh, Nobody was willing to throw even more money down a drain just to mount a challenge to Belle Vue in a season that will never be held or remembered in a positive light. Last seasons league was so successful the sport couldn't even get a decent TV deal for this season off the back of it.... Now The Aces are back on top this year, it looks like even ITV want to get involved again!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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