Youhave2minutes Posted yesterday at 07:11 PM Report Share Posted yesterday at 07:11 PM So with Tnt deal over, who can we look to now.? Or are we looking for streaming service only from the relevant clubs. Perhaps Premier Sports will take it on as they already cover it in Sweden. If not Bein Sports who have several sports channels. Could Sky or Eurosport be tempted back ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted 21 hours ago Report Share Posted 21 hours ago British Pathe News????? 😲 2 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youhave2minutes Posted 21 hours ago Author Report Share Posted 21 hours ago 15 minutes ago, The White Knight said: British Pathe News????? 😲 Hope it don’t come to that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a4poster Posted 21 hours ago Report Share Posted 21 hours ago (edited) The problem with individual Clubs streaming meetings and to a certain point BSN you are preaching to the converted. If it is on one of the more main stream channels (SKY, BT, TNT, Premier etc.) it brings the sport to the attention of people who wouldn’t necessary watch it or at the very least brings it to there attention as they flick through the channels. It is then up to the people who run the sport that the product on show is enough to hold their interest and keep them wanting to watch again and increase the fan base. Edited 21 hours ago by a4poster spelling error 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youhave2minutes Posted 21 hours ago Author Report Share Posted 21 hours ago 6 minutes ago, a4poster said: The problem with individual Clubs streaming meetings and to a certain point BSN you are preaching to the converted. If it is on one of the more main stream channels (SKY, BT, TNT, Premier etc.) it brings the sport to the attention of people who wouldn’t necessary watch it or at the very least brings it to there attention as they flick through the channels. It is then up to the people who run the sport that the product on show is enough to hold their interest and keep them wanting to watch again and increase the fan base. Totally agree main stream tv is the way forward. If it’s not there we have to take what’s there to pick up. Having said that BSN in my eyes do a cracking job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted 20 hours ago Report Share Posted 20 hours ago 42 minutes ago, a4poster said: The problem with individual Clubs streaming meetings and to a certain point BSN you are preaching to the converted. If it is on one of the more main stream channels (SKY, BT, TNT, Premier etc.) it brings the sport to the attention of people who wouldn’t necessary watch it or at the very least brings it to there attention as they flick through the channels. It is then up to the people who run the sport that the product on show is enough to hold their interest and keep them wanting to watch again and increase the fan base. True & absolutely not true. BSN is just 'preaching to the already converted' & won't add anything in growing the sport. At the same time, Sky & BT/TNT added absolutely nothing to attendances for British Speedway too. Even with these "Mainstream" channels, British Speedway has continually declined & clubs disappeared. There is only one last step for British Speedway to attempt, almost everyone's favorite platform, YouTube. Free to all, the largest viewing platform & a potential global audience. If the BSPL don't want to offer the product 'free to air', have Live meetings on YouTube under "Members Only" at £10 a month, then release the meetings to all a week later. British Speedway needs to look at a 10 year growth plan rather than just looking at the now, chasing whomever will pay up the biggest bucks. YouTube is THE biggest growth plan the BSPL could use & it's cheap 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted 11 hours ago Report Share Posted 11 hours ago 8 hours ago, Daniel Smith said: True & absolutely not true. BSN is just 'preaching to the already converted' & won't add anything in growing the sport. At the same time, Sky & BT/TNT added absolutely nothing to attendances for British Speedway too. Even with these "Mainstream" channels, British Speedway has continually declined & clubs disappeared. There is only one last step for British Speedway to attempt, almost everyone's favorite platform, YouTube. Free to all, the largest viewing platform & a potential global audience. If the BSPL don't want to offer the product 'free to air', have Live meetings on YouTube under "Members Only" at £10 a month, then release the meetings to all a week later. British Speedway needs to look at a 10 year growth plan rather than just looking at the now, chasing whomever will pay up the biggest bucks. YouTube is THE biggest growth plan the BSPL could use & it's cheap Although in essence a great idea, as always the devil would be in the detail, in this case the cost and quality of the production and in particular who would be responsible for ensuring both are met at a consistent level. Speedway UK does need TV but considering only current fans are the vast majority of viewers TV coverage of fixtures is not & will not drive growth of support. What is required is a TV series similar to “Drive to Survive” which has served F1 to have an all time growth in the sport on a global basis. For UK speedway, a combined fly on the wall series & fixtures shown on TV would lead to new spectators seeking live events. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 10 hours ago Report Share Posted 10 hours ago (edited) 10 hours ago, a4poster said: The problem with individual Clubs streaming meetings and to a certain point BSN you are preaching to the converted. If it is on one of the more main stream channels (SKY, BT, TNT, Premier etc.) it brings the sport to the attention of people who wouldn’t necessary watch it or at the very least brings it to there attention as they flick through the channels. It is then up to the people who run the sport that the product on show is enough to hold their interest and keep them wanting to watch again and increase the fan base. They have had almost 30 years of coverage and the fanbase is probably (at best), half what it was 30 years sgo... Promoters have had hundreds of two hour advertisements for their businesses and done nothing to make the sport look "popular" via the optics... I am always impressed the way the directors can focus in on thirty or forty people stood, or sat, together to make it look like a "crowd" is in attendance... Unfortunately, they then have to show the racing using a wider angle and the swathes of empty spaces and seats become clearly evident... When Sky first covered the sport, kids got in for free and they had face painters there, bouncy castles etc, and a "roving camera" that focused on the face painted groups of kids waving and shouting into the camera. This then often led into the adverts, and was the first thing you saw when they came back for the break. Giving the impression I presume that Speedway is great to take your kids to, and "fun".... Nowadays nothing appears to be done to create a "fun" atmosphere when on TV... A 2 hour advert that others in the entertainment industry would kill for and use to create interest. Imagine several restaurants being filmed for two hours, several times a year, with just four people eating in them each time they were on TV? They would ensure the place was packed, even if they all didn't pay!!! Sports that can only half fill their stadiums often close parts down to squeeze the crowd together and use the closed sections for large banner advertising of their sponsors... I always think the NSS, as an example, there are many others, that could benefit from that when on TV, ie fill the grandstand so the camera inside the circuit covering the start makes the place look full, (rather than it looks now due to hardly anyone sitting in the sections at the start of the home straight), and advertise your sponsors on the back straight... Just charge standing prices for one night in the grandstand, and credit the ST holders with any difference. (If they moan about it)... Put simply, Speedway, uniquely when measured against other "niche" sports, hasn't progressed one iota via the huge amount of TV coverage it has had... And you have to question why?.. So not sure what positive difference any other satellite or streaming service would make to it now.. The real issue without the TV coverage will be the lack of the six figure payment that the teams got rather than if it grew the sport or not... Edited 10 hours ago by mikebv 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youhave2minutes Posted 10 hours ago Author Report Share Posted 10 hours ago Thanks to you all for your input on my topic. Some great ideas there, and should be implemented, 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 10 hours ago Report Share Posted 10 hours ago (edited) 11 hours ago, Daniel Smith said: True & absolutely not true. BSN is just 'preaching to the already converted' & won't add anything in growing the sport. At the same time, Sky & BT/TNT added absolutely nothing to attendances for British Speedway too. Even with these "Mainstream" channels, British Speedway has continually declined & clubs disappeared. There is only one last step for British Speedway to attempt, almost everyone's favorite platform, YouTube. Free to all, the largest viewing platform & a potential global audience. If the BSPL don't want to offer the product 'free to air', have Live meetings on YouTube under "Members Only" at £10 a month, then release the meetings to all a week later. British Speedway needs to look at a 10 year growth plan rather than just looking at the now, chasing whomever will pay up the biggest bucks. YouTube is THE biggest growth plan the BSPL could use & it's cheap Some Sunday League, and Semi Pro football teams, have tens of thousands of followers due to their own in house coverage and editing... With the YT algorithms taking you to them after you have watched one... It has been a perfect media for Speedway for at least five years since these type of programmes started... People eating loads of food quickly, get millions of followers!!!! Nearly a quarter of a million has watched the Wright/Allen fight, and over 400,000 have watched the final of the 2025 British Championship.. Imagine if just a tenth of those numbers attended a track each week?! The template to follow is out there due to what other sports teams do, so just follow it... Plenty of money can be made if you get the views and subscribers, and you don't need to spend loads to earn it, nor do a lengthy video... 15 to 20 mins featuring riders arriving, pre match team talk, some action, some during the meeting conversations between team and manager, post match team talk, and the riders post match thoughts, is sufficient... Fast paced, small soundbites, and race snippets from the best races, and not lengthy conversations and full races (unless a cracker)... People don't sit and watch two hours of sport like they used to, they now often just watch the fifteen to twenty minute highlights on YT... I have got into Baseball by watching 20 mins highlights, but wouldn't sit and watch three to four hours of the sport, watching pitch after pitch not getting hit... Speedway desperately needs some modern thinkers involved rather than those who have led the sport with the mantra "we have done it this way for decades".. Edited 8 hours ago by mikebv 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youhave2minutes Posted 10 hours ago Author Report Share Posted 10 hours ago 8 minutes ago, mikebv said: Some Sunday League, and Semi Pro football teams, have tens of thousands of followers due to their own in house coverage and editing... With the YT algorithms taking you to them after you have watched one... It has been a perfect media for Speedway for at least five years since these type of programmes started... People eating loads of food quickly get millions of followers!!!! Nearly a quarter of a million has watched the Wright/Allen fight, and over 400,000 have watched the final of the 2005 British Championship.. Imagine if just a tenth of those numbers attended a track each week?! The template to follow is out there due to what other sports teams do, so just follow it... Plenty of money can be made if you get the views and subscribers, and you don't need to spend loads to earn it... So now we have found the way forward for viewing figures. Let’s do this big time. 2 fights a meeting one with opposing riders from the teams having a scrap on the centre green . Let’s then see a brawl also with the losing team manager clouting the winning one.🤣 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 10 hours ago Report Share Posted 10 hours ago 2 minutes ago, Youhave2minutes said: So now we have found the way forward for viewing figures. Let’s do this big time. 2 fights a meeting one with opposing riders from the teams having a scrap on the centre green . Let’s then see a brawl also with the losing team manager clouting the winning one.🤣 Or..... They could just tell everyone that speedway is a family sport... And that the bikes go for from nought to sixty quicker than an F1 car.. And also that they have no brakes... Oh. And obviously ask everyone to bring a friend.... If it ain't broken, and all that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWellBehavedWorrall Posted 9 hours ago Report Share Posted 9 hours ago 11 hours ago, a4poster said: The problem with individual Clubs streaming meetings and to a certain point BSN you are preaching to the converted. If it is on one of the more main stream channels (SKY, BT, TNT, Premier etc.) it brings the sport to the attention of people who wouldn’t necessary watch it or at the very least brings it to there attention as they flick through the channels. It is then up to the people who run the sport that the product on show is enough to hold their interest and keep them wanting to watch again and increase the fan base. An excellent post. This great sport is down to its bare bones. We’re fast approaching a scenario where the Premiership and Championship resemble the old Champions League group format due to clubs dying of financial struggle. Speedway needs fresh blood on the terraces. It’s non-negotiable. It’s the only solution. If we move to an all-streaming coverage, then I fear it’ll be one of the final nails in the coffin for British speedway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youhave2minutes Posted 6 hours ago Author Report Share Posted 6 hours ago 2 hours ago, TheWellBehavedWorrall said: An excellent post. This great sport is down to its bare bones. We’re fast approaching a scenario where the Premiership and Championship resemble the old Champions League group format due to clubs dying of financial struggle. Speedway needs fresh blood on the terraces. It’s non-negotiable. It’s the only solution. If we move to an all-streaming coverage, then I fear it’ll be one of the final nails in the coffin for British speedway. Totally agree regarding streaming service. It is purely for ongoing fans. We need to attract a younger audience on the terraces. As us older ones pass away the sport becomes derelict. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted 5 hours ago Report Share Posted 5 hours ago 42 minutes ago, Youhave2minutes said: Totally agree regarding streaming service. It is purely for ongoing fans. We need to attract a younger audience on the terraces. As us older ones pass away the sport becomes derelict. So the next obvious questions to follow your 'younger audience' statement is "what would attract a younger audience to attend regularly"? And "what age is a 'younger audience'? I cannot imagine a younger audience being incentivised to attend if they are getting easy access to full meetings on mainstream TV, Streaming or You-Tube! There has to be abetter chance of them being attracted to watch a short, sharp 'highlights' package involving some sort of jeopardy and gladiatorial battles (and no I don't mean Plymouth). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youhave2minutes Posted 5 hours ago Author Report Share Posted 5 hours ago (edited) I’ve been thinking ( very dangerous for me as I’m out of my comfort zone ) I’m answering my own question here ( could be a sign of madness ). Do you not think that the problem with trying to attract a younger audience may be down to them participating in other interests such as Darts, Snooker, cricket, tennis and football. The youngsters of today like to get involved rather than watch. Also it don’t help with online gaming. Just a thought. Could this be why the crowd levels are down in the U.K. Although it don’t help with an incompetent bunch of know alls who are about as good as a chocolate fireguard trying to run the sport. Edited 5 hours ago by Youhave2minutes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted 5 hours ago Report Share Posted 5 hours ago 15 hours ago, Daniel Smith said: True & absolutely not true. BSN is just 'preaching to the already converted' & won't add anything in growing the sport. At the same time, Sky & BT/TNT added absolutely nothing to attendances for British Speedway too. Even with these "Mainstream" channels, British Speedway has continually declined & clubs disappeared. There is only one last step for British Speedway to attempt, almost everyone's favorite platform, YouTube. Free to all, the largest viewing platform & a potential global audience. If the BSPL don't want to offer the product 'free to air', have Live meetings on YouTube under "Members Only" at £10 a month, then release the meetings to all a week later. British Speedway needs to look at a 10 year growth plan rather than just looking at the now, chasing whomever will pay up the biggest bucks. YouTube is THE biggest growth plan the BSPL could use & it's cheap How many 5 or 10 year growth plans have these Amateur's at BSPA tried too implement with total failure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted 5 hours ago Report Share Posted 5 hours ago 15 hours ago, Daniel Smith said: True & absolutely not true. BSN is just 'preaching to the already converted' & won't add anything in growing the sport. At the same time, Sky & BT/TNT added absolutely nothing to attendances for British Speedway too. Even with these "Mainstream" channels, British Speedway has continually declined & clubs disappeared. There is only one last step for British Speedway to attempt, almost everyone's favorite platform, YouTube. Free to all, the largest viewing platform & a potential global audience. If the BSPL don't want to offer the product 'free to air', have Live meetings on YouTube under "Members Only" at £10 a month, then release the meetings to all a week later. British Speedway needs to look at a 10 year growth plan rather than just looking at the now, chasing whomever will pay up the biggest bucks. YouTube is THE biggest growth plan the BSPL could use & it's cheap How many 5 or 10 year growth plans have these Amateur's at BSPA tried too implement with total failure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youhave2minutes Posted 4 hours ago Author Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 7 minutes ago, Fromafar said: How many 5 or 10 year growth plans have these Amateur's at BSPA tried too implement with total failure. About as good as an ashtray on a motorbike. Jarr us regulars off causing some fans to jack it in. Will lose more crowds yet if they mess up this winter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago 1 hour ago, Fromafar said: How many 5 or 10 year growth plans have these Amateur's at BSPA tried too implement with total failure. None.... They always only last 3 months.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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