drew2 251 Posted March 27, 2016 Surprised the Rockets team manager didn't use the tactical ride facility What on Friday you mean?? It was League cup so isn't permitted! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillipsr 2,053 Posted March 27, 2016 (edited) What on Friday you mean?? It was League cup so isn't permitted! Was at Scunthorpe today and its been confirmed it cam be used during group stages Edited March 27, 2016 by phillipsr Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shadders 4,134 Posted March 27, 2016 (edited) What on Friday you mean?? It was League cup so isn't permitted! That's what I thought. Scunthorpe used it today at home to Sheffield. Was at Scunthorpe today and its been confirmed it cam be used during group stages I wonder if Peter Schroek knows? Edited March 27, 2016 by Shads Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idh 209 Posted March 28, 2016 From this years rules and regs 18.2 PREMIER LEAGUE CUP 18.2.1 There will be 4 mini-leagues (3x3 teams and 1x4 teams) where each Team will meet on a home and away basis. 18.2.2 The top team in each Mini-League will progress to the Semi-Finals. 18.2.3 Semi-Finals and the Final are decided upon the aggregate score of both the home and away legs. In the event of an aggregate tie Golden Heats will determine the winners. 18.2.4 The Heat Format for the meetings are as per Art. 18.9.1 The TR Facility is not applicable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shadders 4,134 Posted March 28, 2016 (edited) From this years rules and regs 18.2 PREMIER LEAGUE CUP 18.2.1 There will be 4 mini-leagues (3x3 teams and 1x4 teams) where each Team will meet on a home and away basis. 18.2.2 The top team in each Mini-League will progress to the Semi-Finals. 18.2.3 Semi-Finals and the Final are decided upon the aggregate score of both the home and away legs. In the event of an aggregate tie Golden Heats will determine the winners. 18.2.4 The Heat Format for the meetings are as per Art. 18.9.1 The TR Facility is not applicable. (From speedway Updates) Heat 10: AUTY, Howarth, Bates, Klindt... 6-3 26-37 Comments: Auty on a tactical ride. Rule 18.2.3 looks like it may have confused some people. It reads to me like tactical rides can't be used in the semi's and final, but allowed in the group stages. It's been poorly written IMO Edited March 28, 2016 by Shads 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drew2 251 Posted March 28, 2016 (From speedway Updates) Heat 10: AUTY, Howarth, Bates, Klindt... 6-3 26-37 Comments: Auty on a tactical ride. Rule 18.2.3 looks like it may have confused some people. It reads to me like tactical rides can't be used in the semi's and final, but allowed in the group stages. It's been poorly written IMO Is that surprising with Speedway rules? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Najjer 2,890 Posted March 28, 2016 (From speedway Updates) Heat 10: AUTY, Howarth, Bates, Klindt... 6-3 26-37 Comments: Auty on a tactical ride. Rule 18.2.3 looks like it may have confused some people. It reads to me like tactical rides can't be used in the semi's and final, but allowed in the group stages. It's been poorly written IMO That reads perfectly acceptable to me - that TRs are not allowed. If they are allowed though, someone needs shooting for writing that! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shadders 4,134 Posted March 28, 2016 That reads perfectly acceptable to me - that TRs are not allowed. If they are allowed though, someone needs shooting for writing that! The ref at Scunny was obviously confused by it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cityrebel 2,960 Posted March 28, 2016 That's what I thought. Scunthorpe used it today at home to Sheffield. I wonder if Peter Schroek knows? i bet sampers would have known! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
startline sid 157 Posted March 28, 2016 The ref at Scunny was obviously confused by it Was also very confusing at rye last sat when it was announced that tac rides were not allowed at all in this competition Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyclone 943 Posted March 29, 2016 From this years rules and regs 18.2 PREMIER LEAGUE CUP 18.2.1 There will be 4 mini-leagues (3x3 teams and 1x4 teams) where each Team will meet on a home and away basis. 18.2.2 The top team in each Mini-League will progress to the Semi-Finals. 18.2.3 Semi-Finals and the Final are decided upon the aggregate score of both the home and away legs. In the event of an aggregate tie Golden Heats will determine the winners. 18.2.4 The Heat Format for the meetings are as per Art. 18.9.1 The TR Facility is not applicable. Agree the presentation above is ambiguous. Re last Season, the TR was permitted in matches where the overall result was not decided upon the aggregate score, namely League & League Cup Mini-League matches. Probably intended the same for 2016, and imo the Scunny vs Sheffield interpretation was correct. The BSPA/SCB should however issue public clarification asap of what exactly the ruling on TRs is, to avoid further inconsistency. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idh 209 Posted March 29, 2016 18.2.4 The Heat Format for the meetings are as per Art. 18.9.1 The TR Facility is not applicable. meaning the heat format for the Premier League Cup is as 18.9.1 and TR is not applicable. for that format. sure this will roll on until an official statement is made Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigcatdiary 3,165 Posted March 29, 2016 Was also very confusing at rye last sat when it was announced that tac rides were not allowed at all in this competition To be fair that was my understanding and the change to the PLC rules this year where the ""TR are not allowed" was moved from 18.2.3 semi finals and final to 18.2.4 which lists the heat format and no TR just seems to confirm it. It's written exactly the same in the KOC which of course doesn't have TR at all. It's yet another complete balls up with regards to the rules. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCB 0 Posted March 29, 2016 From this years rules and regs 18.2 PREMIER LEAGUE CUP 18.2.1 There will be 4 mini-leagues (3x3 teams and 1x4 teams) where each Team will meet on a home and away basis. 18.2.2 The top team in each Mini-League will progress to the Semi-Finals. 18.2.3 Semi-Finals and the Final are decided upon the aggregate score of both the home and away legs. In the event of an aggregate tie Golden Heats will determine the winners. 18.2.4 The Heat Format for the meetings are as per Art. 18.9.1 The TR Facility is not applicable. Agree the presentation above is ambiguous. It's not ambiguous. People are just not reading the rules correctly. TR's are not allowed in the PLC. If they had intended for them ONLY NOT to be used in the semis and final then rule 18.2.4 would have to be 18.2.3.1 and would be a sub rule of 18.2.3 but it's not. Scunthorpes use of a TR was wrong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crescent girl 1,905 Posted March 29, 2016 It's not ambiguous. People are just not reading the rules correctly. TR's are not allowed in the PLC. If they had intended for them ONLY NOT to be used in the semis and final then rule 18.2.4 would have to be 18.2.3.1 and would be a sub rule of 18.2.3 but it's not. Scunthorpes use of a TR was wrong. Agreed. As written, there is no ambiguity. T/R definately NOT allowed in League Cup competition. Mind you, I wonder if whoever rewrote the rule book actually meant to say that! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
