chunky 6,091 Posted September 16, 2020 So now, I am interested in cases where most of the team DIDN'T pull their weight. I am not talking about a solo performance, but where two or three riders did the bulk of the scoring. The one that always stood out for me was Swindon vs Eastbourne in 1980, where Gordon Kennett (21) and Kai Niemi (19) scored 40 points out of 46. I just heard of a similar case where Gote Nordin and Jon Erskine scored 15 each for Newport, who only scored 33 at Wolves in 1965. Are there any other REALLY top-heavy displays? On a similar subject, I have two associated questions: 1) Have THREE members of a team ever scored a full 12-point maximum in the same match? Obviously, because of the format, I know it couldn't be the three regular heat-leader positions. And no, I am not including the standard 18-heat formula either. 2) Does anyone know the FEWEST number of individual heat winners in a match? Obviously, if there were three full maximums, then that would be four. Have there perhaps been two 18-point maximums in a 13-heat match? Or even an 18 and a 15? In 1980, when Jiri Stancl and Ole Olsen recorded 15-point maximums on opposing sides (Reading vs Coventry), there were only four individual heat winners then. Bobby Schwartz (2) and Bernie Leigh were the others. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BL65 657 Posted September 16, 2020 1 hour ago, chunky said: 1) Have THREE members of a team ever scored a full 12-point maximum in the same match? Obviously, because of the format, I know it couldn't be the three regular heat-leader positions. And no, I am not including the standard 18-heat formula either. Glasgow v Long Eaton 28th May 1965, Willie Templeton 12, Bluey Scott 12, Charlie Monk 12 in a 60-18 win. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chunky 6,091 Posted September 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, BL65 said: Glasgow v Long Eaton 28th May 1965, Willie Templeton 12, Bluey Scott 12, Charlie Monk 12 in a 60-18 win. Thanks; I knew you'd have an answer! I think you need to publish a book with all these quirky stats! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BL65 657 Posted September 16, 2020 2 hours ago, chunky said: So now, I am interested in cases where most of the team DIDN'T pull their weight. I am not talking about a solo performance, but where two or three riders did the bulk of the scoring. Two riders: 13/16 – Cradley Heath at Halifax 1965, McAuliffe 8, Julian 5 (16-62) Three riders: 31/32 - Exeter at Wimbledon 1965, Gooddy 13, Squibb 10, Cowland 8 (32-46) 31/32 – Belle Vue at Glasgow 1965, Fisher 13, Maidment 12, McGregor 6 (32-46) 28/30 – Swindon at Exeter 1965, Briggs 15, Broadbank 8, Ashby 5 (30-48) 32/35 – Swindon at Newcastle 1965, Briggs 14, Ashby 9, Broadbank 9 (35-43) 35/39 - Swindon at Halifax 1965, Briggs 15, Broadbank 12, Ashby 8 (39-39) 35/39 - Wimbledon at Halifax 1965, Luckhurst 13, Nygren 11, Hedge 11 (39-39) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BL65 657 Posted September 16, 2020 52 minutes ago, chunky said: Thanks; I knew you'd have an answer! I think you need to publish a book with all these quirky stats! Ha ha, I don't think I've got time for that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chunky 6,091 Posted September 16, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, BL65 said: Two riders: 13/16 – Cradley Heath at Halifax 1965, McAuliffe 8, Julian 5 (16-62) Three riders: 31/32 - Exeter at Wimbledon 1965, Gooddy 13, Squibb 10, Cowland 8 (32-46) 31/32 – Belle Vue at Glasgow 1965, Fisher 13, Maidment 12, McGregor 6 (32-46) 28/30 – Swindon at Exeter 1965, Briggs 15, Broadbank 8, Ashby 5 (30-48) 32/35 – Swindon at Newcastle 1965, Briggs 14, Ashby 9, Broadbank 9 (35-43) 35/39 - Swindon at Halifax 1965, Briggs 15, Broadbank 12, Ashby 8 (39-39) 35/39 - Wimbledon at Halifax 1965, Luckhurst 13, Nygren 11, Hedge 11 (39-39) Obviously, the lower the team score, the easier it is for that to happen. It's those draws that impress me! Edited September 16, 2020 by chunky Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
auntie doris 2,342 Posted September 16, 2020 36 minutes ago, BL65 said: Two riders: 13/16 – Cradley Heath at Halifax 1965, McAuliffe 8, Julian 5 (16-62) Three riders: 31/32 - Exeter at Wimbledon 1965, Gooddy 13, Squibb 10, Cowland 8 (32-46) 31/32 – Belle Vue at Glasgow 1965, Fisher 13, Maidment 12, McGregor 6 (32-46) 28/30 – Swindon at Exeter 1965, Briggs 15, Broadbank 8, Ashby 5 (30-48) 32/35 – Swindon at Newcastle 1965, Briggs 14, Ashby 9, Broadbank 9 (35-43) 35/39 - Swindon at Halifax 1965, Briggs 15, Broadbank 12, Ashby 8 (39-39) 35/39 - Wimbledon at Halifax 1965, Luckhurst 13, Nygren 11, Hedge 11 (39-39) Blimey what were rest of scorers in the 3 Swindon matches. Started following them in 1968 when Briggo, Kilby, and Broady were heat leaders. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeW 46 Posted September 16, 2020 22 May 1948 - Edinburgh 29 Newcastle 55 - Wilf Jay, Alec Grant and Charlie Spinks all scored 12 point maximums. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norbold 7,109 Posted September 16, 2020 The first match I ever saw resulted in the score New Cross 48 Norwich 42. Ove Fundin scored 18 and Aub Lawson 16 for Norwich, so 34 out of theIr 42 points. Of the other 8, Reg Trott scored 4 and Derek Strutt 3. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BL65 657 Posted September 16, 2020 1 hour ago, auntie doris said: Blimey what were rest of scorers in the 3 Swindon matches. Started following them in 1968 when Briggo, Kilby, and Broady were heat leaders. Exeter: Sampson 1, Shuter 1, Kilby 0, Keen 0 Newcastle: Kilby 2, Sampson 1, Jackson 0 Shuter 0 Halifax: Bowers 2, Keen 1, Sampson 1, Kilby 0 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chadster 221 Posted September 16, 2020 Sheffield had Charlie Monk, John Dews and Brian Maxted score full maximums in a 54-24 win over Belle Vue in 1968. Has any individual done better than Nigel Boocock scoring 16 out of 24 at Wimbledon the same season?. There was certainly one more occasion when he scored over half his teams points that season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RS50 359 Posted September 16, 2020 4 hours ago, chunky said: 2) Does anyone know the FEWEST number of individual heat winners in a match? Obviously, if there were three full maximums, then that would be four. Have there perhaps been two 18-point maximums in a 13-heat match? Or even an 18 and a 15? I Not sure what the lowest number possible is, but in the Scunthorpe Newport match in 2006 only 5 different riders won a race. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve roberts 9,246 Posted September 16, 2020 Gordon Kennett scored a 21 point maximum and Kai Niemi 19 riding for Eastbourne (both from seven rides) at Swindon in 1980 but the "Eagles" still lost 46-62! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve roberts 9,246 Posted September 16, 2020 4 hours ago, chunky said: So now, I am interested in cases where most of the team DIDN'T pull their weight. I am not talking about a solo performance, but where two or three riders did the bulk of the scoring. The one that always stood out for me was Swindon vs Eastbourne in 1980, where Gordon Kennett (21) and Kai Niemi (19) scored 40 points out of 46. I just heard of a similar case where Gote Nordin and Jon Erskine scored 15 each for Newport, who only scored 33 at Wolves in 1965. Are there any other REALLY top-heavy displays? On a similar subject, I have two associated questions: 1) Have THREE members of a team ever scored a full 12-point maximum in the same match? Obviously, because of the format, I know it couldn't be the three regular heat-leader positions. And no, I am not including the standard 18-heat formula either. 2) Does anyone know the FEWEST number of individual heat winners in a match? Obviously, if there were three full maximums, then that would be four. Have there perhaps been two 18-point maximums in a 13-heat match? Or even an 18 and a 15? In 1980, when Jiri Stancl and Ole Olsen recorded 15-point maximums on opposing sides (Reading vs Coventry), there were only four individual heat winners then. Bobby Schwartz (2) and Bernie Leigh were the others. I was there! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chunky 6,091 Posted September 16, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, steve roberts said: Gordon Kennett scored a 21 point maximum and Kai Niemi 19 riding for Eastbourne (both from seven rides) at Swindon in 1980 but the "Eagles" still lost 46-62! I did mention that in the initial post, Steve! Edited September 16, 2020 by chunky Share this post Link to post Share on other sites