Fromafar 10,362 Posted May 23, 2021 1 hour ago, screm said: It would be great to know exactly what meeting Grobauer was in for Birmingham to be granted a guest facility. Maybe he was a reserve for the reserves. It’s history now ,like I said earlier Berwick Promotion knew he was not going to be there and accepted it.(so they must have been OK with it). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
screm 8,057 Posted May 23, 2021 6 minutes ago, Fromafar said: It’s history now ,like I said earlier Berwick Promotion knew he was not going to be there and accepted it.(so they must have been OK with it). Berwick were advised by Birmingham that Grobaur was taking part, or at least on stand by for the SEC meeting the Czech Republic last night, the rider didn't take his place in the meeting nor it seems was on stand by, so should Birmingham have had their guest. Taken from last nights programme. " Fellow German Valentin Grobauer had Polish league commitments last night is is also on stand by for the SEC in case former Kings Lynn man Kai Huckenbeck fails to recover from an injury picked up in Denmark last wee " Huckenbeck didn't race in the meeting but then neither did Grobauer who was supposed to be his replacement, would that not take away Birmingham`s facility for a guest. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fromafar 10,362 Posted May 23, 2021 8 minutes ago, screm said: Berwick were advised by Birmingham that Grobaur was taking part, or at least on stand by for the SEC meeting the Czech Republic last night, the rider didn't take his place in the meeting nor it seems was on stand by, so should Birmingham have had their guest. Taken from last nights programme. " Fellow German Valentin Grobauer had Polish league commitments last night is is also on stand by for the SEC in case former Kings Lynn man Kai Huckenbeck fails to recover from an injury picked up in Denmark last wee " Huckenbeck didn't race in the meeting but then neither did Grobauer who was supposed to be his replacement, would that not take away Birmingham`s facility for a guest. Just the usual bullsh#t in speedway.The fans are treated with contempt .You hear a different story from each Promotion.Take or leave it seems to be the answer. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
screm 8,057 Posted May 23, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Fromafar said: Just the usual bullsh#t in speedway.The fans are treated with contempt .You hear a different story from each Promotion.Take or leave it seems to be the answer. Quite correct, its not as if they haven't had enough time to sort all this. Not my original thought but by the end of the night six teams will have completed meetings in the Championship, only one will have tracked their declared one to seven. Scunthorpe and Plymouth are the latest to enter the guest fest with Berwick`s Leon Flint taking the place of the injured Henry Atkins while Kyle Howarth takes the place of Tero Aarnio who would rather ride in Poland this afternoon. Barmy. Edited May 23, 2021 by screm 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StevePark 2,781 Posted May 23, 2021 59 minutes ago, screm said: Quite correct, its not as if they haven't had enough time to sort all this. Not my original thought but by the end of the night six teams will have completed meetings in the Championship, only one will have tracked their declared one to seven. Scunthorpe and Plymouth are the latest to enter the guest fest with Berwick`s Leon Flint taking the place of the injured Henry Atkins while Kyle Howarth takes the place of Tero Aarnio who would rather ride in Poland this afternoon. Barmy. As far as I understand it, Tero was booked in to ride for Poznan ages ago. The Scunthorpe meeting is a rearranged one from the initial postponement, so Tero rides in Poland, as originally planned. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikebv 10,275 Posted May 23, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, brianbuck said: Unfortunately, there isn't an answer to the problem of riders missing meetings, and this is not just confined to foreigners - British based riders also miss their club matches when they have a preference for more financially lucrative continental bookings, and they will come up with the same excuses (and more often not, will get away with them!) Even if all clubs only employed British riders, the same situation would inevitably arise. What is needed is a complete re-evaulation of how speedway is run - with only British or British-based riders employed with watertight contracts compelling them to ride exclusively for their British team, but can anyone see that ever happening? We would all like to see our teams contain only our own contracted riders who only ride for us, like football clubs do, but speedway has gone too far away from this to ever be able to contemplate doing this. What I am saying is that there really is no answer but to try to make the best of an impossible situation. But that is 100% the frustrating issue... It clearly isnt an 'impossible situation' to run the sport properly.. Running with three riders you 100% know will be missing is 'self inflicted' nonsense.. As is every meeting they run on nights which mean guests when the FIM already have a meeting in place.. And invariably on 'FIM nights' the missing riders are the better ones who, by definition of being at that qualifier or final, should have been one of the 'main fan attractions' at the league meeting.. The promoters will no doubt argue when in their own 'echo chambers', that... "No one in the stadiums complain about the make up of the teams". And that may be 100% factual, however.. Its the 80% empty terracing at the vast majority of tracks that they should "listen" to.. That "deafening silence" from those who still keep a keen interest in the sport, but are no longer prepared to pay out their hard earned to UK Speedway, is the 'noise' they should be listening to and learning from.. As has already been mentioned, this year was always going to have some 'travel chaos', (you didnt need some superhuman psychic skills to predict that)... So therefore why run with their usual operating model when it was so obvious huge logistical challenges would exist? Why still run with 7 man teams? Why still run with a plethora of overseas riders? And, if running a wider NDL league as they have planned, why not instead do a combined level league using an amalgam of British based Championship/NDL level riders, rather than run the two leagues seperate, (which no doubt will result in even more fixture clashes where riders have to be in 'two places at once').. Not 'impossible situations' at all... Just more of the same self inflicted nonsense which has gone on well before the pandemic, and no doubt, will continue a long time after.. Edited May 23, 2021 by mikebv 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fromafar 10,362 Posted May 24, 2021 Reminder to George Dodds,it’s getting a little dusty. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
col69 37 Posted May 24, 2021 22 hours ago, soupy said: Col must of not got behind the lads lol cols always behind the lads lollollol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
allthegearbutnaeidea 1,734 Posted May 24, 2021 Still no answer regarding the illegal guest at number 2Birmingham still deserved the win, I’m not disputing that, and Nicol didn’t make that much of a difference, it’s more about trying to keep some form of integrity in the sport Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
*JJ 512 Posted May 24, 2021 No use being bitter ... Grobauer was at an FIM meeting. In any case, the meeting was won by Birmingham regular riders - Harris, Morris,etc - not the guests. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fromafar 10,362 Posted May 24, 2021 12 minutes ago, allthegearbutnaeidea said: Still no answer regarding the illegal guest at number 2Birmingham still deserved the win, I’m not disputing that, and Nicol didn’t make that much of a difference, it’s more about trying to keep some form of integrity in the sport Integrity and Speedway ,your kidding. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
allthegearbutnaeidea 1,734 Posted May 24, 2021 3 minutes ago, *JJ said: No use being bitter ... Grobauer was at an FIM meeting. In any case, the meeting was won by Birmingham regular riders - Harris, Morris,etc - not the guests. No... he wasn’t??? That’s the point I’m making... He was riding in the Polish league on Friday night in Germany, and clearly couldn’t get to Berwick in time due to the covid testing situation, stop taking everyone for mugs, you sound like a BSPA official, he was on ‘stand by’ for a european championship challenge incase Huckenbeck couldn’t ride, which he couldn’t, and yet he didn’t take his place that he was on ‘stand by’ for... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bavarian 766 Posted May 24, 2021 24 minutes ago, *JJ said: No use being bitter ... Grobauer was at an FIM meeting. In any case, the meeting was won by Birmingham regular riders - Harris, Morris,etc - not the guests. No, he wasn't. And in fact, not even as a "stand-bye reserve". Grobauer rode for Landshut in the Polish Division 2 on Friday, but not at Pardubice on Saturday. Huckenbeck's replacement for this FIME meeting was the Slovenian Matic Ivacic, and the reserve riders on Saturday were a couple of Czechs, #17 Eduard Krcmar and #18 Hynek Stichauer. Grobauer wasn't there at all. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
screm 8,057 Posted May 24, 2021 2 hours ago, allthegearbutnaeidea said: Still no answer regarding the illegal guest at number 2Birmingham still deserved the win, I’m not disputing that, and Nicol didn’t make that much of a difference, it’s more about trying to keep some form of integrity in the sport The integrity horse bolted a long long time ago. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
screm 8,057 Posted May 24, 2021 2 hours ago, *JJ said: No use being bitter ... Grobauer was at an FIM meeting. In any case, the meeting was won by Birmingham regular riders - Harris, Morris,etc - not the guests. If he was there then he was there as a spectator and no more, he was on stand by to replace the injured Kai Huckenbeck, he didn't do that. So to that end Birmingham should've lost their guest facility going with a junior rider at No2. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
