salty 2,202 Posted November 3, 2009 Some of the missing years: 1973 - A.Michanek 1977 - M.Simmons 1978 - M.Lee 1979 - S.Autrey 1980 - P.Collins/H.Nielsen 1982 - K.Carter Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norbold 7,116 Posted November 3, 2009 (edited) 1967: Barry Briggs 1976: John Louis Incidentally... 1936: Jack Parker 1937: Jack Milne 1938: Jack Milne Of those only Milne, in 1937, was World Champion the same year Edited November 3, 2009 by norbold Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grachan 7,362 Posted November 3, 2009 Pretty sure it was Barry Briggs who topped the averages in 1967. If not then maybe Charlie Monk? Think it was Briggs though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norbold 7,116 Posted November 3, 2009 Definitely Briggo. Barry: 11.05 Charlie Monk: 10.72 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lucifer sam 3,953 Posted November 3, 2009 (edited) Some of the missing years: 1973 - A.Michanek 1977 - M.Simmons 1978 - M.Lee 1979 - S.Autrey 1980 - P.Collins/H.Nielsen 1982 - K.Carter Salty - Iris was asking for riders who had done the World Championship / top of BL averages double. None of the above did that double. And it was PC who topped the 1980 averages - Nielsen missed out by a fraction (less than 0.01). But Nielsen then topped the averages from 1984 to 1990 inclusive, therefore surpassing Mauger's previous BL record, who topped the averages for 5 sucessvie seasons (plus an extra season in 1975). Prior to 1965, I'm sure Jack Young, Ronnie Moore and Ove Fundin did the double. How many riders did the following treble - World Champion / BLRC winner / top of BL averages. Briggs did in 1966, and Nielsen in 1986 & 1987. Any others? All the best Rob Edited November 3, 2009 by lucifer sam Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norbold 7,116 Posted November 3, 2009 Salty - Iris was asking for riders who had done the World Championship / top of BL averages double. None of the above did that double. And it was PC who topped the 1980 averages - Nielsen missed out by a fraction (less than 0.01). But Nielsen then topped the averages from 1984 to 1990 inclusive, therefore surpassing Mauger's previous BL record, who topped the averages for 5 sucessvie seasons (plus an extra season in 1975). Prior to 1965, I'm sure Jack Young, Ronnie Moore and Ove Fundin did the double. How many riders did the following treble - World Champion / BLRC winner / top of BL averages. Briggs did in 1966, and Nielsen in 1986 & 1987. Any others? All the best Rob Just from memory, Ove Fundin certainly did it in 1960. Excuse me while I go off and consult the record books for the rest.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmartin 7 Posted November 3, 2009 (edited) Just from memory, Ove Fundin certainly did it in 1960. Excuse me while I go off and consult the record books for the rest.... Hope you'll get back to us norbold. I am following this Thread with much interest. Edited November 3, 2009 by ianmartin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
salty 2,202 Posted November 3, 2009 Salty - Iris was asking for riders who had done the World Championship / top of BL averages double. None of the above did that double. And it was PC who topped the 1980 averages - Nielsen missed out by a fraction (less than 0.01). But Nielsen then topped the averages from 1984 to 1990 inclusive, therefore surpassing Mauger's previous BL record, who topped the averages for 5 sucessvie seasons (plus an extra season in 1975). Rob, I quoted the guys who topped the BL averages in response to Bobbath's post. "I know that Nigel Boocock topped the top div. averages in 1965-but who did it in the years you missed out Rob" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lucifer sam 3,953 Posted November 3, 2009 Rob, I quoted the guys who topped the BL averages in response to Bobbath's post. "I know that Nigel Boocock topped the top div. averages in 1965-but who did it in the years you missed out Rob" Salty, whoops, that'll teach me not to read the whole thread. All the best Rob Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
salty 2,202 Posted November 3, 2009 Not a problem. Apology accepted etc etc As for the 1980 figures I just took a quick glance and saw both riders had figures of 10.70. Closer inspection confirms that PC was .0057 better than Hans. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norbold 7,116 Posted November 3, 2009 Hope you'll get back to us norbold. Right...some initial findings: 1946: Averages - Eric Langton Champion - Tommy Price* (7th in averages) 1947: Averages - Vic Duggan Champion - Jack Parker* (10th in averages) 1948: Averages - Vic Duggan Champion - Vic Duggan* 1949: Averages - Vic Duggan Champion - Tommy Price (7th in averages) 1950: Averages - Graham Warren Champion - Freddie Williams (13th in averages) 1951: Averages - Aub Lawson Champion - Jack Young (2nd Division rider) 1952: Averages - Ronnie Moore Champion - Jack Young (2nd in averages) 1953: Averages - Jack Young Champion - Freddie Williams (4th in averages) 1954: Averages - Ronnie Moore Champion - Ronnie Moore 1955: Averages - Jack Young Champion - Peter Craven (5th in averages) 1956: Averages - Barry Briggs Champion - Ove Fundin (3rd in averages) 1957: Averages - Peter Craven Champion - Barry Briggs (5th in averages) * - Not the World Championship of course, but its nearest equivalent, the British Riders Championship and the Riders' Championships So, in only two years between 1946 and 1957 did the rider at the top of the averages win the World Championship (or equivalent) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lucifer sam 3,953 Posted November 3, 2009 Right...some initial findings: 1946: Averages - Eric Langton Champion - Tommy Price* (7th in averages) 1947: Averages - Vic Duggan Champion - Jack Parker* (10th in averages) 1948: Averages - Vic Duggan Champion - Vic Duggan* 1949: Averages - Vic Duggan Champion - Tommy Price (7th in averages) 1950: Averages - Graham Warren Champion - Freddie Williams (13th in averages) 1951: Averages - Aub Lawson Champion - Jack Young (2nd Division rider) 1952: Averages - Ronnie Moore Champion - Jack Young (2nd in averages) 1953: Averages - Jack Young Champion - Freddie Williams (4th in averages) 1954: Averages - Ronnie Moore Champion - Ronnie Moore 1955: Averages - Jack Young Champion - Peter Craven (5th in averages) 1956: Averages - Barry Briggs Champion - Ove Fundin (3rd in averages) 1957: Averages - Peter Craven Champion - Barry Briggs (5th in averages) * - Not the World Championship of course, but its nearest equivalent, the British Riders Championship and the Riders' Championships So, in only two years between 1946 and 1957 did the rider at the top of the averages win the World Championship (or equivalent) Interesting. So there is much more of a correlation between averages and champions from 1965 onwards. Why is that? Is that because the likes of Mauger (who did the double 4 times) and Nielsen (3 times) etc were that much more dominant of was it because the post-war years were that much more competitive? Or was it becuase Wembley produced a big home track advantage, since Jack Parker in 1947 aside, the lowest postioned riders in the averages who triumphed were the Wembley riders. All the best Rob Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mickthemuppet 976 Posted November 3, 2009 Am I missing something here . The posting was "World Champions That Never Were" I conclude that means Speedway riders that were never World Champions. So why is the site littered with past world champions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmartin 7 Posted November 3, 2009 Am I missing something here . The posting was "World Champions That Never Were" I conclude that means Speedway riders that were never World Champions. So why is the site littered with past world champions. All Forums have Threads that go off Topic sometimes. I appreciate what you say - but - I am finding this Thread VERY informative, interesting AND also very entertaining. I know it has veered away from the original Title - but - for something that is this good - I am happy with the way it is going. I don't agree with everything that is said mind. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lucifer sam 3,953 Posted November 3, 2009 Am I missing something here . The posting was "World Champions That Never Were" I conclude that means Speedway riders that were never World Champions. So why is the site littered with past world champions. Because we went off-topic very early on. All the best Rob Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
