Hunty 189 Posted November 18, 2013 Why do the SCB give out a statment that just throws up more questions and then lets other release the informtation that gives theres a bit more clarity! The post on the SGP website dose make it sound a very good idea and I for one am very happy with the rule changes! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brewer 159 Posted November 18, 2013 That makes more sense. Although personally if they were intent on introducing this type of rule then it would have made more sense to have 1 UK rider at reserve in the EL and likewise in the PL. Imo, possibly because your promotion and one or two others in pl dont want it, the old " we can't get young brits to travel here". well try offering some of the benefits that have been given to shoddy foreigners over the years. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Star Lady 5,400 Posted November 18, 2013 (edited) The thing is that King's Lynn have spent time, effort and money developing both Lewis Kerr & Robert lambert, with there policy of bringing on riders. If you are going to allocate your numbers 6 & 7 on a whim, then you might as well do it for all riders. There is also a concern that riders who have very promising futures will be allocated to tracks which will do absolutley nothing for their long term careers, and eventually jepoardise their careers, and in turn the future of British Speedway in the long term This year I don't think there was much choice. Several teams had no NL affiliation, so to be fair it had to be a draft/draw of some kind. However riders allocated in 2014should not become assets of the team allocated to. All teams now have the time to set up either a NL team of their own or an official affiliation with a NL team ( I assume it's not always possible for EL club to run NL). Should any of them fail to do so they should receive no help via drafts/draw after 2014. As to fixture clashes, IMHO EL should tke precedence over PL, who in turn should take precedence over NL. No exceptions which hopefully should mean less rule manipulating. Edited for spelling Edited November 18, 2013 by Star Lady 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
g13webb 4,254 Posted November 18, 2013 I think the majority of decisions made at the recent AGM have a positive feel to them. Obviously there are areas that need to be addressed in more detail but generally I feel the promoters have tried to change things for the better. We need more structure for new British riders and fast tracking them, instead of foreigners, has to be good. There have been many questions on how it will be achieved but unlike others, I will wait for the details before offering an opinion. Without doubt the worse announcement to come from the meeting was the closure of Peterborough Speedway. Even when there was a millionaire at the helm, prepared to plough in money, it just shows how precarious some clubs are. Sponsorship is ok, but nothing can replace the interest from supporters and the ability to run the club in a viable way. Just a shame with this announcement goes one of the best race track in the country and the club that created fierce local rivalry Sincerely hope a buyer is found soon. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunty 189 Posted November 18, 2013 Will we see a influx of team starting a NL team up? Kings Lynn and Coventry must be very happy with there move to start National League teams up! Think of the assets they are going have in a couple of years time to use in the Elite league Main Bodies and at 6 & 7! Really good move this from the guys at the AGM, all leagues benifit, the riders benifit the clubs benifit and BRITISH SPEEDWAY in 5-10 year time should reap the rewards! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCOTLAND1314 121 Posted November 18, 2013 Imo, possibly because your promotion and one or two others in pl dont want it, the old " we can't get young brits to travel here". well try offering some of the benefits that have been given to shoddy foreigners over the years. The issue you highlight I believe is still valid. However given the Gb management allocating riders to tracks this may make this problem less of an issue. Although the guys who remember rider control like this (in years gone by) will remember it has its flaws as well. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
semion 2,192 Posted November 18, 2013 (edited) I wonder which Elite League Owner will be the first to lower the admission price to say £15, to reflect the lesser racing, and the cost savings they will be enjoying and want to pass on to exsisting fans and make it more attractive for the floating fans. Or which one will be the first one to stick the admission up a quid. Edited November 18, 2013 by semion Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCOTLAND1314 121 Posted November 18, 2013 Currently do NL clubs own their riders (the ones not owned by PL or EL clubs)? If so will they receive a loan fee from the EL clubs? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunty 189 Posted November 18, 2013 The Heathens have a few assets that may be in the frame for a ride next year in the EL....That could be intresting! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
salty 2,202 Posted November 18, 2013 The issue you highlight I believe is still valid. However given the Gb management allocating riders to tracks this may make this problem less of an issue. Although the guys who remember rider control like this (in years gone by) will remember it has its flaws as well. I do remember rider control and it was done away with because it was no longer fit for purpose. Even back in the early 70's we knew at Cradley we would be shafted by the big clubs who had their place at the top table. Read John Berry's Confessions book to find out how shabbily Ipswich were treated when they moved up a league (they took over West Ham's licence, but the Hammers top man Christer Lofqvist ended up at Poole). Given the petty jealousies and back-biting that goes on now, coupled with the all pervasive "social media" I don't envy Messrs Morris and Vatcher their job. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seanmuffe 105 Posted November 18, 2013 Why do the SCB give out a statment that just throws up more questions and then lets other release the informtation that gives theres a bit more clarity! The post on the SGP website dose make it sound a very good idea and I for one am very happy with the rule changes! Its so we go off on one big one and we do,it works every time!!!! They will then appease us by appearing to correct it and responding to the hue and cry.What we need to do then is watch what's slipped in while we are not looking. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Humphrey Appleby 13,960 Posted November 18, 2013 (they took over West Ham's licence, but the Hammers top man Christer Lofqvist ended up at Poole). The more things change, the more they stay the same... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted November 18, 2013 BSPA vice-chairman Jon Cook hopes Team Great Britain can close the gap on their international rivals by fast-tracking promising riders into the Elite League. Top flight teams in Britain next season will feature two home-grown reserves, allocated from a list of 20 fast-track riders selected by the Team Great Britain management. Riders from the National and Premier Leagues, who have little to no Elite League experience, will be considered for the scheme. The 20 riders will be graded on experience and ability to ensure clubs receive riders of varying abilities. But clubs who have a youngster on their retained list or living in their local area will generally be given priority on securing their services. The Elite League race format will be altered to hand these riders two races against their opposing reserves instead of one, and easier outings against rival second strings. These riders will also stay at reserve for the whole season, regardless of their average or performance. Having seen Polish clubs track two home-grown juniors at reserve, while Elitserien teams name three Swedes in every starting seven, Cook hopes British speedway can produce a flow of talent to rival the Ekstraliga and Elitserien in years to come. "As a sport, weve got one eye on the fact that if we dont do this, we will forever be behind the Poles, the Swedes and the Danes." - Jon Cook He said: Were taking a leaf out of Poland and Swedens book. All of the countries seem to be going down this road of trying to bring their own riders on and its a hugely positive step for all the countries. Its very good that we in Britain havent sat back and watched that happen. To be rubbing shoulders with the likes of Tai Woffinden and Darcy Ward will give these riders inspiration. Itll be an inspiration to be riding with your idol. Its a great thing and those riders will learn so much more chasing a better rider than they will chasing someone who is not of that ilk. To have the support top-level teams are able to give with all the mechanical knowledge really is the most fantastic opportunity. It really is akin to someone playing in the lower reaches of the Football League and suddenly being given the opportunity to go into the squad at Manchester United or Arsenal. The talent is there. It needs nurturing and fast-tracking and thats what we intend to do. As a sport, weve got one eye on the fact that if we dont do this, we will forever be behind the Poles, the Swedes and the Danes. We have to do this. Cook hopes other riders will be inspired to take up the sport and win places on the scheme in subsequent seasons. He said: How exciting is it for riders entering this seasons National League to know that if they do well, perform, score a high average and capture the eyes of Team GB bosses or managers in the Elite League, they could be getting a phone call next November to say well done, youve got a fast-track spot. Its a fantastic opportunity for anyone who is considering throwing their leg across a speedway bike, whether they want to move over from motocross, grasstrack or start from scratch. Some may question whether National League riders should appear in the same team as the likes of Woffinden and Ward. But Cook is confident the young Brits will join the SGP stars in stealing the show. He said: These lads within that top 20 will be quality riders. Were not talking about people wobbling around. Were not talking about riders of that level. Were talking about fairly accomplished young men, who are going to add greatly to the entertainment of a night out at our speedways. Glad that's been clarified & thanks to Phil for posting it. Whoever compiled yesterdays' press release needs to consider a career change. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
salty 2,202 Posted November 18, 2013 (edited) Matt Ford was only 5 at the time, so hard to blame him. This time... The more things change, the more they stay the same... Edited November 18, 2013 by salty 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
E I Addio 15,845 Posted November 18, 2013 (edited) Edited November 18, 2013 by E I Addio Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
