World Cup Final 2nd August 2014

[stevebrum 6,824]

Yep if im clueless then your completely off the scale..

Of course it was Steve, still trying to justify things i see..

 

 

Still banging that one man drum i see.

[geepeeargh 21]

Back in 2006 we staged a World U21 Qualifyer at Owlerton. It's interesting to contrast how they finished on the day, and where they are now...

 

Karol Zabik won the final after a fall/exclusion in the heats. He won various junior honours in Poland and rode for Peterborough and Poole before walking out on them early in 2009.

 

Chris Holder finished second. The World champion needs no further...

 

Troy Batchelor scored 10 and qualified for the next round.

 

Lewis Bridger thought it more important to ride for Elite club Eastbourne than to attend the practice at a mere Premier League track which he'd never ridden before. Confidence is a good thing, but when you're experience is predominantly of Eastbourne then you can't really complain when you only muster 3 points at Sheffield.

 

Steve Boxall may be a force to be reckoned with around Rye House, but 5 is what he mustered at Owlerton. Can't see him figuring on the world scene.

 

World champion elect Ed Kennett scraped 10 points together to qualify for the next round. I was surprised. He scored 7 in the British semi-final this year, failing to qualify for the final, and just 5 for Rye House in Sheffield's biggest home win of the season so far. When you learn your trade on a tricky little track...

 

On the other hand, back in 2006 a certain Martin Vaculik was at Owlerton. To be honest he looked even less capable than Filip Sitera and scored just 2 points. I guess the difference was that he persevered on the big continental tracks and today is a presence on the Grand Prix scene.

 

The Americans realized their only chance to make it on the world scene was to turn their backs on their tiny home tracks.

 

The Danes and Swedes used us for experience to become great speedway nations.

 

The New Zealanders and Aussies have milked us for everything they have achieved, and continue to this day.

 

Until we invest in our young talent, and ensure ALL our important meetings are held on big tracks where machine set-up has to be learned we will continue to struggle on the world stage.

 

Restrict the number of non-BRITISH riders per team. (Sod the EU, Poland do). Let's have more test match series against anyone who wants to take us on, but NEVER at any small track where you have to lock back into the corners. We must learn how to beat everyone on the full throttle big tracks like Berwick, Workington, Peterborough and Sheffield.

 

Any big meetings held at the likes of Wolverhampton, Edinburgh, Rye House, Plymouth, Ipswich, Eastbourne are just nails in our coffin.

 

PLEASE let the new Belle Vue be a proper (Polish style) track!

 

If up and coming english lads can't cope with the big tracks then it should be a case of thanks..., next please.

Edited August 4, 2014 by geepeeargh

[Super Blue 616]

I believe it would be good for the sport to bring big events to some of the smaller tracks just to see how some of the big track specialist countries get on .

 

Speedway should not just be about riding huge tracks as they come in all shapes and sizes and always have done .

 

If a country and it's riders are truly the best in the world then they should be able to adapt their riding accordingly .

 

All big events should not be held at one type of venue !

[g13webb 4,254]

Since the SWC all poster are arguing (discussing) about the quality of our riders in comparison to those from other countries'. My take on this will always be related to the quality the riders race in on a regular basis. We were left high and dry having to take 2 riders who race second division standards. It was not their fault. They race down a divisions just as a form of survival .

I relate all the problems to the powers of the BSPA. For years they have been used as a stepping stone by foreign riders to gain experience and for the Promoter to fill a void quickly. Someone with a Danish name will always have preference over an English equivalent just because they think he will be better. Last year the Premier league didn't want to be involved with the FTR, and would rather have a team of foreigners.

All this toing and throwing, who is the best manager. It makes little difference who the manager is. We are a distance off the top teams in developing and encouraging new blood.

We must have rules in place where ALL teams have to have so many home riders..Until such time the promoters put the British rider first, nothing will ever change.

 

PS: This comment was not directed to all specific Promoters, some I believe are doing a grand job. It was directed to the collective body of the BSPA

[R87 476]

There has to be a balance between big and small tracks. Not enough of the major events are staged on bigger circuits. Plus the under 15 championship rounds are being held on pokey little places like Eastbourne and Rye House. While these clubs have a good track record of developing riders, it can hinder their development if they get to dialled into small tracks

 

I think Hans Nielsen expressed concern when he was at Wolves that it was hindering his ability to race on bigger tracks where - let's face it - most of the big international events are held anyway.

[montie 1,273]

Last year the Premier league didn't want to be involved with the FTR, and would rather have a team of foreigners.

 

That is simply not true

 

The Premier League was never involved,offered,discussd any FTR, its was and is an idea born from the EL promotions looking to save money

 

And when you look back over the year the PL is a FTR anyway,but just like the one in the EL at the moment,not all make it

 

Lets be honest,if the fast track was what it meant to be do you think you would have the like of Ben Hopwood,Lee Smart,Brendan Johnson and Danny Hasley in it???

 

Riders like that will never make the Premier League grade never mind anywhere beyond it

[SCB 0]

Lets be honest,if the fast track was what it meant to be do you think you would have the like of Ben Hopwood,Lee Smart,Brendan Johnson and Danny Hasley in it???

 

Riders like that will never make the Premier League grade never mind anywhere beyond it

The riders listed are not there to make the grade. They're there to make up the numbers so those who will make the grade have someone to beat. What was the alternative?

[arnieg 3,649]

There has to be a balance between big and small tracks. Not enough of the major events are staged on bigger circuits. Plus the under 15 championship rounds are being held on pokey little places like Eastbourne and Rye House. While these clubs have a good track record of developing riders, it can hinder their development if they get to dialled into small tracks

I think Hans Nielsen expressed concern when he was at Wolves that it was hindering his ability to race on bigger tracks where - let's face it - most of the big international events are held anyway.

Good point re under 21/ under 19, but under 15/16 should be on small tracks.

 

I was in Grudziadz yesterday and they have an 80cc track on the centre green. I first saw Max Fricke 4/5 years ago on a similar track at Mildura. All the Swedes and Danes start that way too, so too do the Yanks. On the lesser powered machines, smaller tracks are better at introducing youngsters to cornering skills and getting them use to close racing.

[SCB 0]

They recently had the 125cc junior title at Peterborough. Dont get much bigger and certainly don't get any more continental in the UK.

[g13webb 4,254]

 

That is simply not true

 

The Premier League was never involved,offered,discussd any FTR, its was and is an idea born from the EL promotions looking to save money

 

And when you look back over the year the PL is a FTR anyway,but just like the one in the EL at the moment,not all make it

 

Lets be honest,if the fast track was what it meant to be do you think you would have the like of Ben Hopwood,Lee Smart,Brendan Johnson and Danny Hasley in it???

 

Riders like that will never make the Premier League grade never mind anywhere beyond it

 

If I was wrong in my posting than I apologise. But when FTR was first talked about, I was of the impression the Premier League was to be involved. Thinking along the lines as that, the Elite would have 2 British riders, 1 from the NL and 1 from the PL, Riders using the PL as a stepping stone. When it was eventually announced, it was said the PL wasn't included, not that they weren't asked.

 

Turns out that the FTR was just another scam to lighten the loads on promoters pockets, rather than an idea to primarily benefit the sport.

 

And you wonder why Team GB can't compete with the best....... Want do they say about Wood and Trees.

[R87 476]

Good point re under 21/ under 19, but under 15/16 should be on small tracks.

 

I was in Grudziadz yesterday and they have an 80cc track on the centre green. I first saw Max Fricke 4/5 years ago on a similar track at Mildura. All the Swedes and Danes start that way too, so too do the Yanks. On the lesser powered machines, smaller tracks are better at introducing youngsters to cornering skills and getting them use to close racing.

Agreed. My point however is that riders get too cosy on the small tracks and don't want to move onto something bigger even though it will aid their development. It has to be a two way system here though. The promoters and advisors need to make it clear to the rider he needs to race on big tracks, and there also has to be a desire by the rider himself to do it. Edited August 4, 2014 by mb1990

[racers and royals 8,736]

Video of final (Polish ) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiXfqLIlxwg&list=UUWMqEj3-1TXYlaGQppBGtbg

Video of race-off (polish) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vg-tEZsEsXw&list=PLLP7YA_mSetHtKi0S5qMBzU2Gcoy2FsoQ

Video of Kings Lynn round 1( Polish ) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybMp7V_SsrM&list=PLLP7YA_mSetHtKi0S5qMBzU2Gcoy2FsoQ

Video of Vastervik round 2 (Polish ) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSgN2WmBDpQ&list=PLLP7YA_mSetHtKi0S5qMBzU2Gcoy2FsoQ

Edited August 4, 2014 by racers and royals

[foreverblue 6,096]

How on earth can you say that when he is sixteen? I believe he set the fastest time of the meeting at Poole the other week, he has the speed already......just needs to gather some experience and better gating and he can achieve whatever he wants to IMO.

Just an opinion reminds me a bit of Bridger. Milik did the same time as Lambert in heat 15 and i wouldn't think he is a future world champion either but you never know how riders will develop

Edited August 4, 2014 by foreverblue

[OGT 612]

Well after turning off and recording the rest after heat 4, I only got to watch the meeting last night and I have to say what an incredible finale. I didn't think Puk was going to pull it off, but talk about timing!!

[speedwaysliders 176]

Are those horrible looking square things on top of some riders crash helmets cameras,as we never seem to get any footage from them?! They are real ugly and look like they could slow the rider down!!!