waiheke1 4,295 Posted August 4, 2014 Can't believe any rider would cheat, what would be the point when they are riding purely for our entertainment? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The White Knight 9,039 Posted August 4, 2014 Are we talking about Riders cheating, or the Speedway Public being cheated. Dare I mention 'Double' Points and 'Play Offs'? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Odds On 373 Posted August 5, 2014 Cheating as in riders using illegal equipment, interesting that somebody mentioned nitro as a fuel, now that will make a rider go faster!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonny the spud 2,281 Posted August 5, 2014 In some big European grass meetings you have to get to the pit gate with your tank empty and it's filled with methanol supplied by the organising club in an attempt to stop additives Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ruffdiamond 6,115 Posted August 5, 2014 Cheating as in riders using illegal equipment, interesting that somebody mentioned nitro as a fuel, now that will make a rider go faster!! maybe that's why so many engines 'blow-up',,, if there not designed to use it, just a thought :-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tsunami 10,219 Posted August 5, 2014 Are we talking about Riders cheating, or the Speedway Public being cheated. Dare I mention 'Double' Points and 'Play Offs'? NO 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
racers and royals 8,774 Posted August 5, 2014 Wasn't Leon Madsen suspected of cheating a few years back and the accusation seems to have affected his nominations in the Danish team etc as i can't really remember him getting anything from Stekkers of Secher since the problem arose..... We also had Stekkers accusing the Poles of cheating at one SWC and Olsen also getting involved.But no official protest was made And when Emil burst onto the GP scene there were comments about cheating made by the Sky guys.Again nothing concrete,just rumours.Although i did get a comment that Emil was cheating from one rider. We also i am sure had an article in a paper by Mads accusing riders of cheating,but no names or anything concrete there either as far as i remember Accusations about Smolinski arose this year of course Greg Hancock not to happy at the way Adrian Miedzinski "breezed" past him to win in Torun-saying afterwards that of course there was no engine testing that night ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ruffdiamond 6,115 Posted August 5, 2014 NO that's not cheating,,, it's in the rules,,, honest question,,, the rules say what you can do, yeah,,, but, do they say what you can't do, (anything),, it would be a very long book :-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheReturn 1,724 Posted August 5, 2014 I think there are two areas, 'bending the rules' to manipulate gate positions, team averages etc is not cheating in my book, it happens in most sports, that teams will try and bend the rules where possible to gain an advantage. For me true cheating is where a rider goes out on equipment that is known to be against the rules (oversized engines, dodgy silencers, wrong fuel etc). The other area that I consider blatant cheating is where a race is decided before the start, i.e. rider A will let rider B win. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
E I Addio 15,859 Posted August 5, 2014 I see Bernie Eccleston has just paid £60,million to have bribery charges against him dropped . https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/formula-1-bernie-ecclestone-offers-80m-settle-bribery-074733152--f1.html SIXTY MILLION QUID ! ! ! That's probably far more than British Speedway has cost to run in the whole of this century. Although the bribery charges don't relate to the actual racing side of F1 , with all that money swilling around and dodgy deals going on one can only speculate on what other dodgy things go on away from the public gaze. Its only about 3 years or so since the Ferrarri F1 team were convicted of industrial espionage, Spying on a rival. The fact of the matter is that most professional sport is mainly about money and politics and speedway is no different. Most high level sports involve dodgy dealings, . I don't like it but it's the way of the world I am afraid. Greg Hancock not to happy at the way Adrian Miedzinski "breezed" past him to win in Torun-saying afterwards that of course there was no engine testing that night ! I remember Jason Crump's famous comments after Gollob had completely outpaced him in GP final . The interviewer said to Crumpie " Gollob was fast to-night" and Crump replied with a twinkle in his eye "Yeah, Polish fast ". 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pirate Nick 1,801 Posted August 5, 2014 It's great isn't it? Bribe your way out of a bribery trial 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
heathen chemistry 660 Posted August 5, 2014 yeah It's great isn't it? Bribe your way out of a bribery trial disgusting, but thats the way it is with people with too much money and to think some fans were saying if only we had a bernie ecclestone type figure in speedway....if we did im sure poole would win even more than they do now .. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The White Knight 9,039 Posted August 5, 2014 It's great isn't it? Bribe your way out of a bribery trial Absolutely SPOT ON!!! Well put Nick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OveFundinFan 4,150 Posted August 5, 2014 Apparantly it is legal in Germany, the sum you pay is dependent on what you have - in Bernies case the sum has never been as high. After all he is a multi BILLIONAIRE. Buying your self out of a trial does not imply you are guilty or not guilty - so now we will never know, and of course, it would be wrong to speculate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ch958 2,398 Posted August 5, 2014 (edited) I see Bernie Eccleston has just paid £60,million to have bribery charges against him dropped . https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/formula-1-bernie-ecclestone-offers-80m-settle-bribery-074733152--f1.html SIXTY MILLION QUID ! ! ! That's probably far more than British Speedway has cost to run in the whole of this century. Although the bribery charges don't relate to the actual racing side of F1 , with all that money swilling around and dodgy deals going on one can only speculate on what other dodgy things go on away from the public gaze. Its only about 3 years or so since the Ferrarri F1 team were convicted of industrial espionage, Spying on a rival. The fact of the matter is that most professional sport is mainly about money and politics and speedway is no different. Most high level sports involve dodgy dealings, . I don't like it but it's the way of the world I am afraid. I remember Jason Crump's famous comments after Gollob had completely outpaced him in GP final . The interviewer said to Crumpie " Gollob was fast to-night" and Crump replied with a twinkle in his eye "Yeah, Polish fast ". Poles cheating? Whodathunkit Edited August 5, 2014 by ch958 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
