bigcatdiary 3,165 Posted November 22, 2014 Apparently it's to open up some of the EL riders to the PL, I wouldn't mind betting this was proposed just so one club could sign a certain Lynn rider, it will interesting to see who he signs for. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panthers89 1,922 Posted November 22, 2014 Apparently it's to open up some of the EL riders to the PL, I wouldn't mind betting this was proposed just so one club could sign a certain Lynn rider, it will interesting to see who he signs for. Lambert around the EOES? Yeah probably not, but wouldn't mind! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigcatdiary 3,165 Posted November 22, 2014 just going with the Hansen signing from the worky thread, and apparent missed point from the agm was the conversion rate. If true, what a royal balls up from the BSPA. It's not a balls up, it's been deliberately left out of the AGM statement, after all it's not quite as important as changing the yellow helmet colour to yellow and black is it. This crap just goes on and on Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The White Knight 9,039 Posted November 22, 2014 Robert Lambert on a 7.45 I think... Mads Korneliussen on a 8.33 I think... This all just seems stupid really.. Unless they are trying to close the gap between EL and PL??? Leading to merging of the Leagues further down the line? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ruffdiamond 6,115 Posted November 22, 2014 Leading to merging of the Leagues further down the line? that might not be a bad idea,,, 1 big league for the whole of the country, not much time for silly 'cup comp's and trophies',,, but plenty of opportunity for the TR, lol 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arnieg 3,643 Posted November 22, 2014 (edited) The conversion factor should have been reduced to reflect the change in the averages of EL riders due to the new race format. Should it have been reduced from 1.6 down to 1.4? The evidence suggests it should have been reduced even more. There are 14 riders who have EL and PL averages thanks to doubling up. Their conversion factors range from Ricky Wells (ratio of PL av to EL av 1.10) to Lasse Bjerre (with a ratio of 1.86). Mean ratio = 1.36 Sum of PL avs divided by sum of EL avs = 1.35 Median ratio = 1.30 Mid point of inter quartile range: 1.33 [1.44-1.26] That would suggest the fair conversion factor, that is an accurate reflection in the difference between the leagues, would be 1.33333 ie Add one third to EL average to get converted figure Subtract one quarter going from PL to EL Data: ............EL....PL...ratio Stead 6.92 9.96 1.44 Cook 6.21 9.19 1.48 Barker 5.85 8.91 1.52 King 6.74 8.84 1.31 L Bjerre 4.66 8.65 1.86 Lawson 6.5 8.22 1.26 Morris 6.31 8.14 1.29 Grajczonek 6.4 8.11 1.27 Fisher 5.39 7.89 1.46 R Worrall 5.53 7.32 1.32 Klindt 5.16 6.68 1.29 Howarth 5.27 6.57 1.25 Wells 5.88 6.49 1.10 Proctor 5.37 6.27 1.17 Edited November 22, 2014 by arnieg 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenga 2,998 Posted November 22, 2014 the truth/facts are on the unofficial comets site , run by the official workington speedway promotion. see steves post, (hansen signs for workington thread. all will be relieved as per agm. stop moaning. its the facts. .. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MANSE 480 Posted November 22, 2014 Ithought it was any rider with average over 6 and did not have a PL average would not be allowed to double up.There is enough riders for double up and down at present. How many matches are you going to get with 6 EL riders and 8 PL riders. I thought it was called Elite League.How many leagues does Schlein want to ride in as people say you want him as a guest rider not a asset Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
me2 80 Posted November 22, 2014 the truth/facts are on the unofficial comets site , run by the official workington speedway promotion. see steves post, (hansen signs for workington thread. all will be relieved as per agm. stop moaning. its the facts. .. I don't doubt it's the facts, but we only find out about it when someone finds it on the unofficial Comets website. Whatever the reason for the change, you'd have thought it was worth mentioning in their statement. Maybe they think we're too stupid to understand it. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenga 2,998 Posted November 22, 2014 its something to do with the elite league being weaker in 2014.( not my words ) and the only wat out of the situation they put themselves in was to alter the figures of conversion from 1.6 to 1.4.. another rule that existes , but wont surface until someone want to use it..we all know the elete is lite and nowhere near brill. its just the bspa way of moving the goal posts.. till next year.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv 10,706 Posted November 22, 2014 It is arguably the most important change of the winter in PL terms. If a PL team chose to go for 3 EL riders they would effectively be building to 45.5 rather than 42.5 in comparison to the old conversion. Given that it shouldve been one of the main points of the statement. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenga 2,998 Posted November 22, 2014 as i said before,, ,, way above me.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv 10,706 Posted November 22, 2014 It is a puzzling change as it only benefits EL second strings looking to go PL. PL heat leaders have effectively had their EL average inflated. There are only a handfull of riders that are affected in the EL once you take our existing d/u riders who will have a valld PL average anyway. From what I can see only 1 of these is British. Why are we making it easier for Danes,Finns and Swedes to drop into the PL? 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2ndbendbeerhut 1,781 Posted November 22, 2014 (edited) So this will mean that any rider with a EL average under 6 is now open to the "new and improved" average conversion? That includes riders missing from 2014 then? some good out there with interesting aves now then........ Thomas H Jonasson finished 2013 on 5.69 new PL average of 7.97 Others: Robert Miskowiak 7.15 Dennis Gizatulin 6.27 Jonas Davidsson 8.30 Jesper B Monberg 6.44 Dennis Andersson 7.60 Dawid Lampart 6.41 Edited November 22, 2014 by 2ndbendbeerhut Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scaramanga 904 Posted November 22, 2014 (edited) copy of the post on workington forum below Right, there seems to be confusion everywhere on the change in conversion rate so I will explain the logic. (could someone share this with the BSF).At the Pre-AGM the "weakening" of the Elite League in 2014 with use of fast track and the change in race format meant that the old conversion rate (1.6 x EL average = PL assessed average) was outdated and needed looked at.We looked at all the data available from the EL stats and tried to correlate between averages achieved by the PL riders in the EL and their performances in the PL, the issue was that riders in a second string position in the EL got somewhat "easier" rides. After reviewing the figures it was noted that the overall standard of the EL was closer than previous and to keep the 1.6 conversion would exclude some riders from riding in the PL. The data indicated the conversion should actually be between 1.3 and 1.4At the AGM the proposal was therefore made to reduce the conversion from 1.6 to 1.4 of any rider who wanted to "drop" into the Premier League. This of course caused an issue from the top end of the EL as well who in theory had "harder" rides due to the race format and we needed to make sure that this was not an issue. IT was therefore proposed and accepted that only riders with a current EL average of 6 or less could drop into the PL.I don't like using the word drop as it indicates a different level and standard between the 2 leagues and for several reasons I believe the 2 leagues to be closer in standard than ever now, in fact, in my opinion we no longer have two tears of professional speedway but 2 different leagues.All these riders who now want to ride in the PL have had the opportunity in the past and have not seen it as the "right thing to do", their chance may have gone or they may have to wait to get a less than 6 average!.The whole thing is about ensuring going forward the PL remains a strong product as well as ensuring that PL teams bring talent through.The conversion rates from PL to EL did not change as this was not discussed by the EL promoters so anyone moving from PL to EL will still be converted at the old rate.Hope this clarifies. its clear to see the elite league was a easy option for most prem league riders last year most of them scored more in the elite than they did for there prem leagu clubs even prem league reserves could easily score 10 points in the eliete league at times proberbly 1 off the most sensible rule changes they have made in years The conversion factor should have been reduced to reflect the change in the averages of EL riders due to the new race format. Should it have been reduced from 1.6 down to 1.4? The evidence suggests it should have been reduced even more. There are 14 riders who have EL and PL averages thanks to doubling up. Their conversion factors range from Ricky Wells (ratio of PL av to EL av 1.10) to Lasse Bjerre (with a ratio of 1.86). Mean ratio = 1.36 Sum of PL avs divided by sum of EL avs = 1.35 Median ratio = 1.30 Mid point of inter quartile range: 1.33 [1.44-1.26] That would suggest the fair conversion factor, that is an accurate reflection in the difference between the leagues, would be 1.33333 ie Add one third to EL average to get converted figure Subtract one quarter going from PL to EL Data: ............EL....PL...ratio Stead 6.92 9.96 1.44 Cook 6.21 9.19 1.48 Barker 5.85 8.91 1.52 King 6.74 8.84 1.31 L Bjerre 4.66 8.65 1.86 Lawson 6.5 8.22 1.26 Morris 6.31 8.14 1.29 Grajczonek 6.4 8.11 1.27 Fisher 5.39 7.89 1.46 R Worrall 5.53 7.32 1.32 Klindt 5.16 6.68 1.29 Howarth 5.27 6.57 1.25 Wells 5.88 6.49 1.10 Proctor 5.37 6.27 1.17 good post and very sensibly worked out obviously different people will have different views regarding on if its a good rider signing for there team or a opposing team the eliete leagus is very poor in my opinion and some riders are scoring more points than they should so its only right the conversion is looked at your figures prove theyve done this and are not too far away from how it should be Edited November 22, 2014 by scarra Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
