Agm 2015 / 2016

[E I Addio 15,845]

Back in the day, if two teams met with a similar averaged rider missing from each team because of injury, the r/r or guest facility would be cancelled out.

 

Each team would then promote their 'number eight' to cover for the absentees.

 

I really can't understand why this system can't be re-introduced as it reduces guests and retains credibility for the sport, not to mention it being a useful tool for giving youngsters a chance in the team.

Think it through. The only place you are going to get a number 8 in the EL is from the PL and he would have to be on a lower average than your EDR riders, without the benefit of protected heats.

[KevH 257]

Think it through. The only place you are going to get a number 8 in the EL is from the PL and he would have to be on a lower average than your EDR riders, without the benefit of protected heats.

After four meetings your EDR can now move up into the 1-5 if his average permits which will take him out of the protected heats anyway.

 

Also, both teams would be in the 'same boat', so any advantage/disadvantage would be cancelled out.

[E I Addio 15,845]

After four meetings your EDR can now move up into the 1-5 if his average permits which will take him out of the protected heats anyway.

 

Also, both teams would be in the 'same boat', so any advantage/disadvantage would be cancelled out.

Your number 8 would still. Have to come from the PL and that would mean a converted PL average.Also The EDR rider CAN move up, not WILL move up so it's highly unlikely that any tier two riders will move up unless their averages are high enough

 

Teams will only be in the same boat if they have similar riders injured at the same time time, but even that is not going to be any good to the fans to see aPL rider getting blown away in non protected heats. Then it still depends on your number 8 not having a fixture clash and not being needed by his PL club. I can still remember when Chris Mills, was number 8 forb Lakeside, couldn't cope at all, and he was probably a lot better than anyone around now with a PL average lower than the tier two riders.

[KevH 257]

Your number 8 would still. Have to come from the PL and that would mean a converted PL average.Also The EDR rider CAN move up, not WILL move up so it's highly unlikely that any tier two riders will move up unless their averages are high enough

 

Teams will only be in the same boat if they have similar riders injured at the same time time, but even that is not going to be any good to the fans to see aPL rider getting blown away in non protected heats. Then it still depends on your number 8 not having a fixture clash and not being needed by his PL club. I can still remember when Chris Mills, was number 8 forb Lakeside, couldn't cope at all, and he was probably a lot better than anyone around now with a PL average lower than the tier two riders.

You're missing the point here......you are trying to use the current regulations and fit things around them.

 

My point was, back in the day things were a lot simpler, and the teams simply promoted a rider from their second half.....there's always a lesson to be learned from history

[Guest]

Interesting to see the initial AGM compilations for the Elite League and Premier League which dispel supporters' conjecture that Kent Kings and Rye House would go Elite League in 2016.

 

http://www.speedwaygb.co/news.php?extend.29729

Edited October 19, 2015 by Guest

[SCB 0]

So no new measures brought in to try and encourage the world's best riders back over here then?

 

People actually want to see the top riders in action,crowds are falling and it's no longer attractive to pay the best part of £20 or more to see the best Grade B riders and a few youngsters racing against each other.

What rule is going to magic up money? The World bets want paying. British speedway can't pay. Even if they went to one race night, once home and away the top guys still wouldn't want it, they'd find another excuse as one of them will admit they just want more money.

[RobMcCaffery 2,752]

So no new measures brought in to try and encourage the world's best riders back over here then?

 

People actually want to see the top riders in action,crowds are falling and it's no longer attractive to pay the best part of £20 or more to see the best Grade B riders and a few youngsters racing against each other.

Only one measure is required and that's something there isn't enough of.

 

Money.

[waiheke1 4,295]

What rule is going to magic up money? The World bets want paying. British speedway can't pay. Even if they went to one race night, once home and away the top guys still wouldn't want it, they'd find another excuse as one of them will admit they just want more money.

though tbf over the last couple of seasons youve had woffy paelickis magic killer mjj etc.

so there must be a way ti make it work

if uvlook at say zagar at bv on 3k a meetung, a large portion of which i understand is paid by dponsors. assuming if you replaced him with a 3pter crowds wpuld dip by 5% i think bv end up financially better off with zagae in the team

[BWitcher 12,453]

Doesnt the 6.5 point average for new non british riders mean that this is unlikely??

It doesn't say that.

 

It says any new riders that are assessed at 6.5 or above will be on the heat leader list. Doesn't mean they are all 6.5.

[uk_martin 1,606]

Doesnt the 6.5 point average for new non british riders mean that this is unlikely??

 

Two things...Firstly - 6.5 only applies to the new guys. There are those foreigners in the squads already who are of a reserves average. At Poole for instance, Kyle Newman only has to achieve a 5.52 and Kacper Gomolski could drop down to the reserves. Look at the averages of Tobiasz Musielak and Peter Karlsson at Wolves or Nicklas Porsing at Kings Lynn...all good candidates for a bit of jiggery pokery at "reserve".

 

Secondly, what happens if Kyle Newman achieves a 6.5 average? Does he go into the main team, only to be sacked and replaced by Patryck Dudek or Bartosz Zmarzlik ( or similar)?

[MattK 3,447]

 

Secondly, what happens if Kyle Newman achieves a 6.5 average? Does he go into the main team, only to be sacked and replaced by Patryck Dudek or Bartosz Zmarzlik ( or similar)?

 

That is a good question. Presumably, a Draft rider can only be replaced by another Draft rider?

 

This does pose a potential problem if a draft rider, who has an average and is riding in the main body of the tea, gets injured. Will they receive a guest up to their average or simply from the draft list?

[Stoke Potter 242]

Only one measure is required and that's something there isn't enough of.

 

Money.

;-) Don't forget foresight, intellectual rigour and integrity.

[Woz01 3,589]

 

Two things...Firstly - 6.5 only applies to the new guys. There are those foreigners in the squads already who are of a reserves average. At Poole for instance, Kyle Newman only has to achieve a 5.52 and Kacper Gomolski could drop down to the reserves. Look at the averages of Tobiasz Musielak and Peter Karlsson at Wolves or Nicklas Porsing at Kings Lynn...all good candidates for a bit of jiggery pokery at "reserve".

 

Secondly, what happens if Kyle Newman achieves a 6.5 average? Does he go into the main team, only to be sacked and replaced by Patryck Dudek or Bartosz Zmarzlik ( or similar)?

Id have thought (hope) EDR could only be replaced by another EDR.

 

That is a good question. Presumably, a Draft rider can only be replaced by another Draft rider?

 

This does pose a potential problem if a draft rider, who has an average and is riding in the main body of the tea, gets injured. Will they receive a guest up to their average or simply from the draft list?

If a 2nd string is missing it now has to be R/R.

Edited October 20, 2015 by woz01

[MattK 3,447]

If a 2nd string is missing it now has to be R/R.

 

An average of 6.5, which is easily achievable by a Draft rider in four meetings, would see them in the top three of every team except Swindon and Poole, if you take the final averages from 2015.

[uk_martin 1,606]

That is a good question. Presumably, a Draft rider can only be replaced by another Draft rider?

 

The 2016 regulations will make for interesting reading. Let's see which of the promoters see the options and cater for them with contingencies in the rule book and which keep quiet and hold them as aces up their sleeve (no slur meant towards Belle Vue there btw)