A ORLOV 8,628 Posted February 21, 2016 Wouldn't work unless it's at a time when clubs have ridden all the A fixtures and equal matches. This is one thing that one fixed night would help with and prevent one team having ridden 12 meetings and another just 6 and unable to get new averages. It would help if all teams had ridden an equal number of meetings but providing there are not too many meetings run difference you could still do it as the averages would not change much. I agree that if it was 12 meetings for one club and 6 for another that then it may be awkward. Maybe a window would encourage all clubs to catch up on meetings not run and then a panic at the end of the season. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arnieg 3,650 Posted February 21, 2016 Fixed race nights not practical according to Buster Chapman at the forum today. Which begs the question why did KL move to Thursdays? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skidder1 7,637 Posted February 21, 2016 I guess that means no GP riders and an amalgamation of ;leagues then for 2017 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tsunami 10,219 Posted February 21, 2016 (edited) Fixed race nights not practical according to Buster Chapman at the forum today. Which begs the question why did KL move to Thursdays? Something wrong here. TNT, who was at the fans forum, has stated that the fixed night is a must.("and the only way forward for the EL".) Edited February 21, 2016 by Tsunami Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arnieg 3,650 Posted February 21, 2016 Something wrong here. TNT, who was at the fans forum, has stated that the fixed night is a must.("and the only way forward for the EL".) Some of Buster's answers were quite long - it is entirely possible that Buster made both statements. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
poole keith 911 Posted February 21, 2016 I guess that means no GP riders and an amalgamation of ;leagues then for 2017 almalgamation sounds good for british speedway,could still involve some gp riders its only the top 6 or so that are a differant level(and differant money )let them go play in poland we can still enjoy our speedway just an afterthought if uk votes to leave eu how will that impact on speedway Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arnieg 3,650 Posted February 21, 2016 just an afterthought if uk votes to leave eu how will that impact on speedway I'd hazard a guess at less than people expect. There may be some restrictions on lesser Poles/Danes/Swedes etc riding in the British leagues but I suspect that post Brexit restrictions on EU workers will largely focus on unskilled workers and may have minimal impact on our sport. Secondly, if you believe Goldman Sachs (and I rarely do), Brexit will lead to devaluation of sterling. If (and it is a big if) that were to happen then we could be faced with several foreign riders leaving the EL/PL (as happened during the economic crisis of 1976). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
T.N.T. 355 Posted February 21, 2016 Fixed race nights not practical according to Buster Chapman at the forum today. Which begs the question why did KL move to Thursdays? Hey to differ but Buster said it would be a great move forward for the sport and possibly the only way forward for the Elite League. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arnieg 3,650 Posted February 21, 2016 What Buster said: "I'd love that to happen it would be the best thing ever to go two race nights but I just really think it would be very very difficult to make it happen" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Humphrey Appleby 13,960 Posted February 22, 2016 I'd hazard a guess at less than people expect. There may be some restrictions on lesser Poles/Danes/Swedes etc riding in the British leagues but I suspect that post Brexit restrictions on EU workers will largely focus on unskilled workers and may have minimal impact on our sport. In the unlikely event that the UK leaves the EU, it'll almost certainly sign an agreement to join the EEA which will mean freedom of movement for workers regardless. There are too many British citizens living and working elsewhere in the EU to pull up the drawbridge, which is something the anti-EUers simply don't grasp. The only difference is the UK will have no say in making those agreements, far less a veto. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
magnificentseven 236 Posted February 22, 2016 I guess that means no GP riders and an amalgamation of ;leagues then for 2017 We can but hope Wolfie 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
T.N.T. 355 Posted February 23, 2016 After attending the Bspa forum and talking to Buster after I see it that speedway has a few directions it could go in and depending on what changes will determine which direction it goes. As I see it in 2017 the Plan A will be to have the Elite League on Wednesday nights with Sky having one of those meetings switched to the Monday night. The hope is that each track will be able to call on the services of at least TWO top riders which will make it an Elite League worthy of the name. Belle Vue, Kings Lynn and Leicester can ride on any night they wish and Poole already ride on a Wednesday. Swindon and Coventry will be in new stadiums and should be able to run on a Wednesday and Wolverhampton can do Wednesday night as it is the alternative night at present. Lakeside have to see where they will be but they too should be able to switch so that shouldn't be a problem. With Premier League already operating Thursday to Sunday it would mean no clashes of dates for riders doubling up. Elite League teams may have two places that are shared so for example Wolverhampton could have Tai Woffinden and Piotr Pawlicki sharing the number one position and Peter Karlsson and Joel Andersson sharing a second string role. Add to that two places could be doubling up riders and two fast track reserves, each team will have a ten man squad including the number eight position. This should eliminate the use of guests and make the Elite League much stronger. Plan B would be to reduce the Elite League to less fixtures on the set nights as in Plan A above and each Elite League track would have a list of four squad riders they can call on for two places in each meeting and one of these would be the number eight so he can cover for injuries to other riders. With less fixtures, every track enters into a British League splitting into two equal groups of 12. With all teams set to the same limit, the clubs riding in the Elite League they could for example use six of their team plus two of the four squad riders to form an 8 man team riding in a format involving 16 scheduled races and two nominated races giving more value for money as the entrance fee could be a few pounds more. Plan C would be forget the Elite League if tracks can't agree on set nights but while this sounds fine to some, it would cause more harm than good. Firstly those willing to ride here must commit to the league and not be allowed to miss meetings to ride in other leagues which would not only mean no big names but also force many others to leave British speedway. It would also mean any British rider looking at becoming the best he can be would be forced out of the league if they are prevented from riding in other countries to earn considerably more money than Britain can offer. Also the Sky deal would be finished and remember that this is the only real income into the league apart from attendance's and most tracks depend on that money to stay afloat. It's going to take a lot of changes but one way or another it has to change Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gemini 4,894 Posted February 23, 2016 Plan C please. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A ORLOV 8,628 Posted February 23, 2016 After attending the Bspa forum and talking to Buster after I see it that speedway has a few directions it could go in and depending on what changes will determine which direction it goes. As I see it in 2017 the Plan A will be to have the Elite League on Wednesday nights with Sky having one of those meetings switched to the Monday night. The hope is that each track will be able to call on the services of at least TWO top riders which will make it an Elite League worthy of the name. Belle Vue, Kings Lynn and Leicester can ride on any night they wish and Poole already ride on a Wednesday. Swindon and Coventry will be in new stadiums and should be able to run on a Wednesday and Wolverhampton can do Wednesday night as it is the alternative night at present. Lakeside have to see where they will be but they too should be able to switch so that shouldn't be a problem. With Premier League already operating Thursday to Sunday it would mean no clashes of dates for riders doubling up. Elite League teams may have two places that are shared so for example Wolverhampton could have Tai Woffinden and Piotr Pawlicki sharing the number one position and Peter Karlsson and Joel Andersson sharing a second string role. Add to that two places could be doubling up riders and two fast track reserves, each team will have a ten man squad including the number eight position. This should eliminate the use of guests and make the Elite League much stronger. Plan B would be to reduce the Elite League to less fixtures on the set nights as in Plan A above and each Elite League track would have a list of four squad riders they can call on for two places in each meeting and one of these would be the number eight so he can cover for injuries to other riders. With less fixtures, every track enters into a British League splitting into two equal groups of 12. With all teams set to the same limit, the clubs riding in the Elite League they could for example use six of their team plus two of the four squad riders to form an 8 man team riding in a format involving 16 scheduled races and two nominated races giving more value for money as the entrance fee could be a few pounds more. Plan C would be forget the Elite League if tracks can't agree on set nights but while this sounds fine to some, it would cause more harm than good. Firstly those willing to ride here must commit to the league and not be allowed to miss meetings to ride in other leagues which would not only mean no big names but also force many others to leave British speedway. It would also mean any British rider looking at becoming the best he can be would be forced out of the league if they are prevented from riding in other countries to earn considerably more money than Britain can offer. Also the Sky deal would be finished and remember that this is the only real income into the league apart from attendance's and most tracks depend on that money to stay afloat. It's going to take a lot of changes but one way or another it has to change Swindon cannot run on wednesdays unless the dog people change their race night, we can only run Mon, Thurs or Fri. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shale Searcher 1,264 Posted February 23, 2016 Swindon cannot run on wednesdays unless the dog people change their race night, we can only run Mon, Thurs or Fri. Thought you had "run of the house" when the new stadium is finished.........? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
