Vincent Blachshadow 2,937 Posted July 9, 2016 (edited) Of course not. However if he could be first choice somewhere else then what stopped him from signing with them in the first place? With a squad system in operation, another track hoping to sign him as back up in case of injury to the regular/preferred #1 maybe? Edited July 9, 2016 by Vincent Blackshadow Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
heathen chemistry 660 Posted July 9, 2016 having riders on retainers in squads will seriously reduce the availability of riders when teams need to look to a new rider/s due to injuries or retirements etc 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RobMcCaffery 2,752 Posted July 9, 2016 It's interesting how the promotion with what I would expect is the largest asset list in the country is arguing for a squad system. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vincent Blachshadow 2,937 Posted July 9, 2016 (edited) having riders on retainers in squads will seriously reduce the availability of riders when teams need to look to a new rider/s due to injuries or retirements etc Quite. And it won't be very long before we hear the call for the introduction of temporary guests to cover these shortages. Edited July 10, 2016 by Vincent Blackshadow Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike.Butler 601 Posted July 10, 2016 (edited) squads won't increase the regularity of fixtures. The top riders who are signed up will all want to ride in/ miss the same meetings. Perhaps if we ran our season from Jan-April it might work.. Edited July 10, 2016 by Mike.Butler 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ruckerroo 792 Posted July 10, 2016 Theres no easy solution. Shovvy says you want better riders, if you do then youll have a 4 team league as half of em cant afford what they have now. The public definitley want more fixtures, i must admit this seasons been a complete joke. It needs people with no affiliation to be involved in decision making( unlikely), that way people with a vested financial interest dont skew things totally in theyre favour 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theblueboy 960 Posted July 10, 2016 Ive already said this umpteen times. If you have a sqaud system riders will expect a retainer. Why? They are self-employed workers. Do you pay a brickie/sparky a retainer on the off chance he does some work for you? I would think there are benefits to a squad system e.g allowing under performing riders to be moved to the sidelines a lot quicker with Promoters more likely to make a change and you can include a 'horses for courses' system rather than the traditional sick note which allows a guest or RR. It's clear that regular speedway is a must. 14 fixtures over 6 months is not good for cash flow. Whether a cup competition is the answer I am not so sure. They were never well attended at Swindon even when Sir Leigh of Mildura was a regular. The promoters continually get it wrong and cannot be trusted in any shape or form. The EDR in principal is a great idea and having seen Chas Wright over the last 18 months and Steve Worrall before that you have to say it works. I am sure there are plenty of success stories at other clubs, however, it was the supporters on this forum that highlighted the shortcomings of that particular system so you have to wonder what they actually talk about at the AGM and whether there is a brain cell between them. I don't understand why they don't speak to someone like SCB who clearly knows the rule book and is respected (well mostly 😋) on the forum and get them to float ideas via him. Supporters could give feedback, which SCB could interpret and then they discuss at the AGM. There are plenty of intelligent and knowledgeable people who could provide reasoned debate and look at ant shortcomings in a short space of time on various subjects that potentially could improve speedway. The sport is dying no question. Clubs continue to haemorrhage fans at an alarming rate but the promoters need to change the way they think and look ahead for the long term, stop being so bloody short term and look at benefits for the sport across all levels and not just 2017. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Starman2006 2,356 Posted July 10, 2016 (edited) Why? They are self-employed workers. Do you pay a brickie/sparky a retainer on the off chance he does some work for you? No you dont, but that brickie or sparky or plumber is not retained by you. And i believe if we had a squad system that would be the case. Which in that case, the less afluent clubs would not be able to entertain it. Edited July 10, 2016 by Starman2006 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vincent Blachshadow 2,937 Posted July 10, 2016 Why? They are self-employed workers. Do you pay a brickie/sparky a retainer on the off chance he does some work for you? You would if you want that brickie to be available just when you want to use him and for him not to take offers from rival builders. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
heathen chemistry 660 Posted July 10, 2016 (edited) they would have to be on a retainer of some kind, because say for example if poole are looking to sign a rider that happens to be in another teams squad but hasnt yet been picked for a match he's unlikely to say no to being signed by poole if promised regular matches, it could open up a whole can of worms with clubs poaching other clubs squad members who due to not havin been picked much wouldnt say no .... this would happen due to there not being enough riders as it is Edited July 10, 2016 by heathen chemistry 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Woz01 3,589 Posted July 10, 2016 If there is to be fixed race days then it has to be consecutive, riders will not travel here twice in a week. Wed-Thur has to be favoured option. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ghostwalker 1,859 Posted July 10, 2016 they would have to be on a retainer of some kind, Riders sign a contract in which they commit to be at team X's exclusive disposal (for that league) during the length of the contract (usually 1-2 seasons). Need to make it more complicated then it already is. Possible some riders (like Laguta's, Nicki, Holder, Tai and etc) are expecting a signing bonus but no rider will get paid when they are not riding, the opposite would be financial suicide by any team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A ORLOV 8,628 Posted July 10, 2016 (edited) Riders sign a contract in which they commit to be at team X's exclusive disposal (for that league) during the length of the contract (usually 1-2 seasons). Need to make it more complicated then it already is. Possible some riders (like Laguta's, Nicki, Holder, Tai and etc) are expecting a signing bonus but no rider will get paid when they are not riding, the opposite would be financial suicide by any team. No rider would sign those conditions without payment unless they were desperate and who would want them. Would you sign to work exclusively for one company without getting paid? Edited July 10, 2016 by A ORLOV 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
heathen chemistry 660 Posted July 10, 2016 If there is to be fixed race days then it has to be consecutive, riders will not travel here twice in a week. Wed-Thur has to be favoured option. with ford wanting more matches its likely there would be flyin in out twice a week especially if theres a few rain offs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skidder1 7,637 Posted July 10, 2016 Why aren't there at least 7 other threads entitled ".........................(insert name of EL Promoter) 's...Vision for the Elite League in 2017"?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
