Lakeside Vs Belle Vue, 21/9/16...

[blueherb777 571]

What I find funny is that the Aces had TWO riders who scored 0 (nought,none)........

yet still WON by 8 points.

Good old R/R for the No 1 Rider ...... Classic.

[woofers 467]

Correct me if I am wrong, but the options for No 1 instead of R/R realistically were - KK, Harris, King, Klindt, Batchelor, Lambert, Hougard, Tungate and Morris - which of these would have "guaranteed" more than 6 points ?

[liam 376]

Correct me if I am wrong, but the options for No 1 instead of R/R realistically were - KK, Harris, King, Klindt, Batchelor, Lambert, Hougard, Tungate and Morris - which of these would have "guaranteed" more than 6 points ?

KK wasn't available and King was working for Sky. I wouldn't have taken any of the others available. Think most Lakeside fans were hoping for a signing from abroad, Hancock was the dream lol.

[tocha 308]

This went totally as expected. The track was dire, probably the worse in the county, that bad. Always favours the inside gate and generates handicap races.. To go without a No1 was short-sighted. I'm sure they could have found someone.

 

Nichol was superb and showed the way to has to be ridden. The worrying thing for Lakeside, it that at the NSS, BV will have 7 riders next time.......

 

NB. Is the exclusion rule of Zagar the same in all countries, I got the impression he didn't realise he'd done wrong. A ridiculous rule brought in to speed the process up, but when used it slows the meeting down by far more.........

I am not singling you out but I am amazed so many make this comment without doing some research first. There was no-one.

The rule you speak of applies just in the UK but Zagar should have known as he has been riding here all season.

[E I Addio 15,849]

I know the track is not everyone's cup of tea and that is fair enough but I've seen some good racing this year but Iam still struggling to understand why it was prepared like that!! Nilsson, Kennett and to a lesser extent Bridger have been flying of late and they all struggled. Iam not even sure if AJ was fit he would have done much on it. What is the point of using R/R because the team is full of home track specialists then not preparing it like they have all season so all the specialists struggled lol.

The blame lays firmly at Jon Cooks door.

 

At the fans forum in February, Kelvin said he wanted the track to be prepared the same way for every meeting, as far as the weather allows, at not to keep changing things, that's the way riders get used to a track and learn how to ride it with confidence. Jon Cook was sitting next to him when he said it. That's what has been done most of the season and we have seen some great racing this year. Then we get to the most meeting of the season, in front of a TV audience and the local MP , Kelvin is missing, Cook is in charge and we get that pile of sludge, because the tried and tested method that worked so well all season has not been followed. As a result we saw, for example Kennett and Bridger not being able to pull off those sweeps round the outside that have brought so many points this year.

 

I support Jon Cook on most things, most of the time but he is the man in charge, the buck stops with him, and he has fouled up big time.

Personally I am furious. I need the winter to calm down. As I feel at the moment I might consider the Rye House option next year, but we'll see what the winter brings. Cook is not my favourite person right now though.

Correct me if I am wrong, but the options for No 1 instead of R/R realistically were - KK, Harris, King, Klindt, Batchelor, Lambert, Hougard, Tungate and Morris - which of these would have "guaranteed" more than 6 points ?

KK would likely have hit double figures but he was apparently booked to ride in Poland. King was asked but wanted to take up Sky's offer. The others mention probably couldn't be guaranteed to score more than six between them. Based on past performances Hougaard might have done, Morris might have done but no guarantee , far from it.

[Woz01 3,589]

I think King being involved in the PL playoffs also had a bearing on him taking the sky role and not guesting.

[jim3751 88]

At the fans forum in February, Kelvin said he wanted the track to be prepared the same way for every meeting, as far as the weather allows, at not to keep changing things, that's the way riders get used to a track and learn how to ride it with confidence. Jon Cook was sitting next to him when he said it. That's what has been done most of the season and we have seen some great racing this year. Then we get to the most meeting of the season, in front of a TV audience and the local MP , Kelvin is missing, Cook is in charge and we get that pile of sludge, because the tried and tested method that worked so well all season has not been followed. As a result we saw, for example Kennett and Bridger not being able to pull off those sweeps round the outside that have brought so many points this year.

 

I'm not a fan of the Sky playoffs but if my team attach so much importance to it and busted a gut to get the final place last week I would have expected the same track prep not somethng Ronnie Russell would have opted for. Oh bugger! I would be interested to hear the opinions of Edward Kim and Lewis B after their struggles to come to terms with that track.

I didn't expect Lakeside to go through but at least to put up a good fight but after all that build up and now in front of the TV cameras a huge opportunity was missed.

Incidently doesn't Gerald Richter prepare both Arena and Poole? Which one did her choose?

[liam 376]

The blame lays firmly at Jon Cooks door.

 

At the fans forum in February, Kelvin said he wanted the track to be prepared the same way for every meeting, as far as the weather allows, at not to keep changing things, that's the way riders get used to a track and learn how to ride it with confidence. Jon Cook was sitting next to him when he said it. That's what has been done most of the season and we have seen some great racing this year. Then we get to the most meeting of the season, in front of a TV audience and the local MP , Kelvin is missing, Cook is in charge and we get that pile of sludge, because the tried and tested method that worked so well all season has not been followed. As a result we saw, for example Kennett and Bridger not being able to pull off those sweeps round the outside that have brought so many points this year.

 

I support Jon Cook on most things, most of the time but he is the man in charge, the buck stops with him, and he has fouled up big time.

Personally I am furious. I need the winter to calm down. As I feel at the moment I might consider the Rye House option next year, but we'll see what the winter brings. Cook is not my favourite person right now though.

 

KK would likely have hit double figures but he was apparently booked to ride in Poland. King was asked but wanted to take up Sky's offer. The others mention probably couldn't be guaranteed to score more than six between them. Based on past performances Hougaard might have done, Morris might have done but no guarantee , far from it.

If that was Cook that decided to have the track prepared like that then he royally messed up. By far the worst meeting of the season.

[marko 956]

Now i will admit i have never been a fan of Mr Cook since his exploits at Eastbourne but i really do think he has mugged the loyal Hammers fans off for the last time, he had no intention whatsoever of making a fist of the play offs, he wanted the semi final for the money, claimed he had a plan to replace AJ which was nothing more than a rouse so he could subsequently come out and say because AJ wanted to ride the second leg (guess what KK is now confirmed as the guest) so he could not bring in a new face, just total lies so more of the purse would likely fall into his own pocket and not that of a guest rider or proper replacement.

Its one failed promise after another with the man, and the whole thing stinks of its his toy (actually its Stuart toy Jon) and if you don't like it tough, in fact we should be honoured we are allowed to pay to come in and watch, that is the feeling from watching this and recent seasons I have got (even at the start of the this season when things were seemingly going good) its just not the same as back in the Arena Essex days when I felt part of the club even if at times we led a very humble existence indeed.

I have no intention of returning there whilst that man is still holding the fort, I can live without Lakeside Speedway, but he can't live without the fans.

Edited September 22, 2016 by Claret73

[Hornsey 29]

He won't have to- Loyal supporters will still be going. I don't think the rabid nutters on here will be missed a bit. That's supposing that they are let out for long enough to even attend meetings

 

The track was a bit too slick last night, but everyone did their best.

 

Up the Hammers!

[HAMMER180 96]

Tried to match Fridays track as they all went so well but a track

after heavy rain and one after heavy watering not the same, all I

can say is tried but failed.re zagar my boy was on the gate and

zagar asked to come off cook told him no but my boy had to open

the gate to let the mechanics on and he pushes himself through so

self inflicted by the long streak of piss. as for lakeside we don't

have the best of luck as apart from last year we are there or there about

the playoffs and always have a run of injurys at the end of seasons and

as we don't have matt fords deep pockets it is always going to be hard.

but I still love and back my club 100% and as for Monday stranger things

have happened COME ON YOU HAMMERS.

PS heard something last night which could be fantastic for the years ahesd

so keep the faith hammers fans.

[flagrag 705]

It seems that quite a few fans are not too happy with the proposed coverage of the 2nd leg and this has been reported back. So watch this space but whatever happens all the key heats and incidents will be covered

[SUPERACE 440]

It seems that quite a few fans are not too happy with the proposed coverage of the 2nd leg and this has been reported back. So watch this space but whatever happens all the key heats and incidents will be covered

Sky speedway have tweeted today that all 30 heats will be shown next monday.

Also tweeted that louis and king there to commentate with sophie in the pits, so looks like a change of mind about not showing all the meeting.

[E I Addio 15,849]

Now i will admit i have never been a fan of Mr Cook since his exploits at Eastbourne but i really do think he has mugged the loyal Hammers fans off for the last time, he had no intention whatsoever of making a fist of the play offs, he wanted the semi final for the money, claimed he had a plan to replace AJ which was nothing more than a rouse so he could subsequently come out and say because AJ wanted to ride the second leg (guess what KK is now confirmed as the guest) so he could not bring in a new face, just total lies so more of the purse would likely fall into his own pocket and not that of a guest rider or proper replacements.

TBF I think in his mind he had every intention of going through, it's just that he is getting the way Len Silver went years ago.

 

It reminded me of a meeting against Coventry few years ago when the track was done and ready to race and Cook came out and for reasons best known to himself picked up a hose and started watering the start area and n

messed it all up. Lakeside then lost a meeting they should have one.

 

I still like the atmosphere, I like the riders, and I like most of the fans but Cookie has got to get his act together.

[speedwaysliders 176]

A couple of things from last night;

1 It may seem minor but the confusion in betting circles that Zagar finished 3rd in heat 1 ,but was confirmed on screen that worell was 3rd,and also carried on speedway updates.Surely in this day and age the betting companies need to have a 100% official correct result from heats .There is so much you can bet on in speedway,in running with riders scores etc,you just cant afford to put the wrong result up on screen to be backed up but what is normally a very good updates service.IT was clearly wrong,and a lot of confusion set in.

2 How lewis Bidgers helmets passed the referee check is just stupid.Again its just confusing to the new fan that his helmets had yellow peak followed by the colour of helmet.People will say this is just a minor issue but again its causing confusion when there doesnt need to be any confusion.

Anyway rant over