phillipsr 2,056 Posted October 17, 2016 We know it messed things up, that's why we need a conversion. There is no way PL averages will be used for riders who have an established EL average. Like Kyle Newman? He has an established EL average so no PL conversion for him Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sings4Speedway 3,247 Posted October 17, 2016 A return to the old heats format for me and a point off all British riders averages in the EL & PL accross the board to make them more attractive than foreign imports. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
foreverblue 6,096 Posted October 17, 2016 Like Kyle Newman? He has an established EL average so no PL conversion for him i agree it should be a conversion like the one worked out by SCB on another thread but only for EDR's. They shouldn't be used for any other rider as well then. How a rider can go from a sub 6.5 average rider in the Premier League to someone who top scores in the Elite league play offs for 3 seasons on the trot is a question that needs answering?. Still meanwhile fans are lost to the sport so not as if it matters, does it?. He scores well in the EL because he is riding against other EDR's most of the time, he is one of the best EDR's so that is no surprise is it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gavan 5,050 Posted October 17, 2016 Kyle Newman finished on 5.52 Apart from what 6 meetings? (a guess) he got that average from the reserve berth If it was solely gained form the reserve berth then it shouldnt change and thankfully the powers that be have said as much Still some harp on about premier league conversion...............it isnt going to happen!! Deduct Kyles average form the top 5 and if Poole want him as a reserve his average should be no less than 5. If Poole want him as a second string then yes do some sort of conversion and he should be about 4-4.5 Please can the same people stop going on and on about him being 3.79 in the reserve berth next season as it simply isnt going to happen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Former devil 51 Posted October 17, 2016 (edited) Kyle Newman has been riding in the elite league longer than Cook but still gets a reduction based on his dodgy Premier League average?. The EDR has helped a few but there should be a limit of the time a rider is allowed to be their. Totally agree with this opinion. I think riders should only be allowed to be EDR for a maximum of 2 years. It was meant to be for brining on the british youngsters. If they are not capable of holding down a 1-5 position after 2 years then they should have to make way for another brit to be given a chance to progress If Newman is allowed EDR for a 4th year that is ridiculous and blocking an opening for another brit to prove himself. Edited October 17, 2016 by Former devil 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sherborne Green 320 Posted October 17, 2016 Kyle Newman finished on 5.52 Apart from what 6 meetings? (a guess) he got that average from the reserve berth If it was solely gained form the reserve berth then it shouldnt change and thankfully the powers that be have said as much Still some harp on about premier league conversion...............it isnt going to happen!! Deduct Kyles average form the top 5 and if Poole want him as a reserve his average should be no less than 5. If Poole want him as a second string then yes do some sort of conversion and he should be about 4-4.5 Please can the same people stop going on and on about him being 3.79 in the reserve berth next season as it simply isnt going to happen We all know your opinion but others are entitled to theirs. I am not saying who is right but nobody on this forum will be involved in making any of the final rules. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisa-colette 6,032 Posted October 17, 2016 We all know your opinion but others are entitled to theirs.Not in Gavan's world, and who else do we know that's like that? Yep, Gavan and Starman are practically twins! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steve0 5,517 Posted October 17, 2016 Not in Gavan's world, and who else do we know that's like that? Yep, Gavan and Starman are practically twins! Well they are twins that just don't get on then with each vying for the last word! I think Gavan tries to have a meaningful conversation but gets easily wound up by Starman and SS - although he has calmed down a bit since his last break - probably because Starman has been missing though! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steve Shovlar 10,439 Posted October 17, 2016 (edited) Well they are twins that just don't get on then with each vying for the last word! I think Gavan tries to have a meaningful conversation but gets easily wound up by Starman and SS - although he has calmed down a bit since his last break - probably because Starman has been missing though! I havent responded to any of Gavans posts for months. Got him on block. No point in trying to debate with someone with hatred of all things Poole in his heart. Edited October 17, 2016 by Steve Shovlar 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crazy robin 2,963 Posted October 17, 2016 i agree it should be a conversion like the one worked out by SCB on another thread but only for EDR's. He scores well in the EL because he is riding against other EDR's most of the time, he is one of the best EDR's so that is no surprise is it. Yet manages to beat heatleaders when the play offs come round each season. He's had 3 seasons as a draft reserve & any rider after that should be in the top 5 & not allowed to be a reserve anymore. Riders like Steve Worrall should also be the same. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waiheke1 4,295 Posted October 17, 2016 i agree it should be a conversion like the one worked out by SCB on another thread but only for EDR's. WHY only for edr? The whole reason for the flawed hl list this season was that 2nd strings have inflated averages compared to riders riding as hl. So someone like b kurtz for example has an inflated average compared to chris harris. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steve Shovlar 10,439 Posted October 17, 2016 Yet manages to beat heatleaders when the play offs come round each season. He's had 3 seasons as a draft reserve & any rider after that should be in the top 5 & not allowed to be a reserve anymore. Riders like Steve Worrall should also be the same. If the edr is being scrapped, which would be a huge shame, then the two lowest averaged of the team sit in the reserve berths. Kyles average is low enough that it is more than likely he will be one of the reserves. Unless you want Poole to stick a second string or heat leader in a reserve berth to force Kyle into the top five. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crazy robin 2,963 Posted October 17, 2016 If the edr is being scrapped, which would be a huge shame, then the two lowest averaged of the team sit in the reserve berths. Kyles average is low enough that it is more than likely he will be one of the reserves. Unless you want Poole to stick a second string or heat leader in a reserve berth to force Kyle into the top five. Nobody knows what average Kyle will have though Steve but if the edr is binned then at least he'd be riding against reserves that he struggles to beat in the Premier League. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevebrum 6,821 Posted October 17, 2016 If the edr is being scrapped, which would be a huge shame, then the two lowest averaged of the team sit in the reserve berths. Kyles average is low enough that it is more than likely he will be one of the reserves. Unless you want Poole to stick a second string or heat leader in a reserve berth to force Kyle into the top five. Kyle's EDR average won't be one of the lower averages which is not surprising. That's the best way to judge their abilities now. Their PL averages are now redundant. Hopefully the EDR's will stay, either one reserve or both. So long as they come up with a fair way of assessing their averages as converting PL averages is no longer a valid way for the reserves. Ellis who has no PL averages has already proved he can hold his own in the EL. So he couldn't possibly be assessed as a 3 because that would be completely barking. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steve Shovlar 10,439 Posted October 17, 2016 Nobody knows what average Kyle will have though Steve but if the edr is binned then at least he'd be riding against reserves that he struggles to beat in the Premier League. If the reserves at the start of the season have to be two Brits he will likely be facing riders of the same standard of this past season. I hope they retain the edr its helped bring on some riders and better to have two Brit edrs than jonny foreigner. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
