Grachan 7,362 Posted August 3, 2017 It's been perfectly clear all year that this was the cut-off date for ANY changes. As soon as it was announced I could see that it was not a good thing. But why is this rule here? Because the very people who are upset that they can't replace an injured rider complained last year because Poole did just that, so the rule was brought in. Anyone could see it was a daft rule apart from those who thought it up. But think it up they did. It's a stupid rule. The very nature of speedway is that you often get season-ending injuries - as we have now seen at Swindon and Belle Vue and could happen to anyone else at any time. But it was brought in to appease the very people who now don't like it because it had affected their own team. It's called karma. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BWitcher 12,453 Posted August 3, 2017 Advantage Wolves if they steer clear of any injuries. Not really, advantage Belle Vue. As we know in last year's final Fricke went missing at Monmore. Bjerre, Cook and Worrall are all much better riders at Monmore than Fricke. Come the play-offs, if the two teams clash, it could swing things the Aces way. Incidently there was a meeting on Tuesday st rugby about this matter and all but Ford voted to keep the rule, a few hours later and I bet lemon would have changed his vote Then Belle Vue can have absolutely nothing to complain about as they have voted for the rule themselves. Is the rule stupid? Of course, but that's the rules. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The White Knight 9,039 Posted August 3, 2017 It's been perfectly clear all year that this was the cut-off date for ANY changes. As soon as it was announced I could see that it was not a good thing. But why is this rule here? Because the very people who are upset that they can't replace an injured rider complained last year because Poole did just that, so the rule was brought in. Anyone could see it was a daft rule apart from those who thought it up. But think it up they did. It's a stupid rule. The very nature of speedway is that you often get season-ending injuries - as we have now seen at Swindon and Belle Vue and could happen to anyone else at any time. But it was brought in to appease the very people who now don't like it because it had affected their own team. It's called karma. Among plenty of others. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
foreverblue 6,096 Posted August 3, 2017 Not really, advantage Belle Vue. As we know in last year's final Fricke went missing at Monmore. Bjerre, Cook and Worrall are all much better riders at Monmore than Fricke. Come the play-offs, if the two teams clash, it could swing things the Aces way. Then Belle Vue can have absolutely nothing to complain about as they have voted for the rule themselves. Is the rule stupid? Of course, but that's the rules. When Ritchie is released by Poole to accommodate Kurtz back could he join Belle Vue with a bit of dispensation! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
STEPHEN 333 58 Posted August 3, 2017 With all this talk of R/R, and possible guests, who's to say that Max might not be back within a few weeks, does anyone have specific details of Max's injury, who's actually said that he is out of the play offs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steve Shovlar 10,439 Posted August 3, 2017 You talk tosh You lost Hans with what can be described as a dubious injury. Then replaced him with a top gp star who had won the Cardiff GP!! Hardly irreplaceable.just for once this time Pooles rule bending backfired. Lets be fair its Pooles constant bending of the rules that leads us down this path Dubious injury? Did you not see the photos Andersen tweeted of his injury? It ended his season and left us vunerable when it mattered. Here's Fricke out of control crashing into Andersen. http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/resources/images/5573250.jpg Courtesy Steve Dixon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Starman2006 2,355 Posted August 3, 2017 (edited) Dubious injury? Did you not see the photos Andersen tweeted of his injury? It ended his season and left us vunerable when it mattered. Here's Fricke out of control crashing into Andersen. http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/resources/images/5573250.jpg Courtesy Steve Dixon. You could almost say he mean't it.. Edited August 3, 2017 by Starman2006 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fourentee 987 Posted August 3, 2017 Some say, Rules are Rules and must be obeyed. The more enlightened say Rules are Rules and the spirit of the Rules should be adhered to. Firstly, commiserations to Fricke on such a nasty injury and good wishes for a swift recovery. It is, obviously, tough on Belle Vue to lose his services (putting to one side the possibility of an early return). But it is, for good or ill, much easier to enforce the letter of a rule rather than its spirit. How many injuries, to riders of what calibre, are you suggesting to prompt an exception? What happens if that exception is made for one club and not another in broadly similar circumstances? Where is the line drawn? You could almost say he mean't it.. Try to show at least an iota of common sense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gavan 5,050 Posted August 3, 2017 You could almost say he mean't it.. Surely please tell me you are not serious with that quote 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Starman2006 2,355 Posted August 3, 2017 Firstly, commiserations to Fricke on such a nasty injury and good wishes for a swift recovery. It is, obviously, tough on Belle Vue to lose his services (putting to one side the possibility of an early return). But it is, for good or ill, much easier to enforce the letter of a rule rather than its spirit. How many injuries, to riders of what calibre, are you suggesting to prompt an exception? What happens if that exception is made for one club and not another in broadly similar circumstances? Where is the line drawn? Try to show at least an iota of common sense. Do you honestly think i'm being serious. Dear me.. Dubious injury? Did you not see the photos Andersen tweeted of his injury? It ended his season and left us vunerable when it mattered. Here's Fricke out of control crashing into Andersen. http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/resources/images/5573250.jpg Courtesy Steve Dixon. Steve i saw his fingers after that, he had no chance of riding. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WestGorton1884 621 Posted August 3, 2017 (edited) It's been perfectly clear all year that this was the cut-off date for ANY changes. As soon as it was announced I could see that it was not a good thing. But why is this rule here? Because the very people who are upset that they can't replace an injured rider complained last year because Poole did just that, so the rule was brought in. Anyone could see it was a daft rule apart from those who thought it up. But think it up they did. It's a stupid rule. The very nature of speedway is that you often get season-ending injuries - as we have now seen at Swindon and Belle Vue and could happen to anyone else at any time. But it was brought in to appease the very people who now don't like it because it had affected their own team. It's called karma. Karma ? , Absolute rubbish We're suffering ( yet again ) because certain other clubs have bent / twisted the rules for years This latest kick in balls involves not being able to replace a rider with genuinely serious injury I.E ,Broken bones in his neck , with a like for like replacement . thats not Karma , its a ******* travesty ! Edited August 3, 2017 by WestGorton1884 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grachan 7,362 Posted August 3, 2017 Karma ? , Absolute rubbish We're suffering (yet again) because certain other clubs have bent / twisted the rules for years This latest kick in balls involves not being able to replace a rider with genuinely serious injury I.E ,Broken bones in his neck , with a like for like replacement . thats not Karma , its a ******* travesty ! But apparently Belle Vue recently voted to keep this rule. I agree that it is crazy that you can't have a replacement, but everyone clearly thought Poole would bring in Chris Holder and voted to keep it. Poole probably wanted to bring in Chris Holder and voted to scrap it. Everyone voted for themselves rather than seeing the bigger picture, which is the possibility of teams full of guests and r/r come the end of the year. I actually agree with you. You should be able to sign a replacement. But everyone complained last year because Poole and Wolves brought riders in, and this is the result of that. I'm agreeing with you. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WestGorton1884 621 Posted August 3, 2017 But apparently Belle Vue recently voted to keep this rule. I agree that it is crazy that you can't have a replacement, but everyone clearly thought Poole would bring in Chris Holder and voted to keep it. Poole probably wanted to bring in Chris Holder and voted to scrap it. Everyone voted for themselves rather than seeing the bigger picture, which is the possibility of teams full of guests and r/r come the end of the year. I actually agree with you. You should be able to sign a replacement. But everyone complained last year because Poole and Wolves brought riders in, and this is the result of that. I'm agreeing with you. My apologies , but quite a few fans talk like BV are trying to replace J Smith with Dudek !! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCB 0 Posted August 3, 2017 Steve i saw his fingers after that, he had no chance of riding.Erm, he did ride. In Poland. After he was replaced at Poole due to a season ending injury! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BANANAMAN 330 Posted August 3, 2017 Starman2006, on 03 Aug 2017 - 6:00 PM, said: Do you honestly think i'm being serious. Dear me.. Steve i saw his fingers after that, he had no chance of riding. Did he not ride again that season then?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
