ch958 2,395 Posted November 24, 2017 why dont we just try something different, you know, for a laugh, and stick to the topic - give the old abuse a rest 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
moxey63 1,785 Posted November 24, 2017 why dont we just try something different, you know, for a laugh, and stick to the topic - give the old abuse a rest Here here! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tsunami 10,219 Posted November 24, 2017 why dont we just try something different, you know, for a laugh, and stick to the topic - give the old abuse a rest quite agree Ch Moxey - just accept you lied and tried a bluff and got found out. Dave Jones - just accept you lost in 2010, and the people you defended have done nothing since. End of for me CH958 - continue...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
racers and royals 8,736 Posted November 24, 2017 Just had a good read of this weeks Star and everything written about reverting to tactical substitutes in 2018 - not many references- is written as plurals.ie not A TACTICAL SUBSTITUTE but TACTICAL SUBSTITUTES. Why do the BSPA muddy the waters by not saying in full what has been implemented. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCB 0 Posted November 24, 2017 Just had a good read of this weeks Star and everything written about reverting to tactical substitutes in 2018 - not many references- is written as plurals.ie not A TACTICAL SUBSTITUTE but TACTICAL SUBSTITUTES. Why do the BSPA muddy the waters by not saying in full what has been implemented. Because if they announced everything now we only be able to have one moan. By drip feeding up crap news we can moan all winter! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grand Central 2,654 Posted November 24, 2017 (edited) Because if they announced everything now we only be able to have one moan. By drip feeding up crap news we can moan all winter! That would be tragically consistent with the way the BSPA PR tends to work. Just had a good read of this weeks Star and everything written about reverting to tactical substitutes in 2018 - not many references- is written as plurals.ie not A TACTICAL SUBSTITUTE but TACTICAL SUBSTITUTES. Why do the BSPA muddy the waters by not saying in full what has been implemented. That is true. In addition the BSPA website refers to it as "... rolled back the years by bringing back the traditional tactical substitute when a team is six points or more" And the Speedway Star says a "... return to tactical substitutes" Are they just being disingenuous with the false inference that we are returning to past usage of tac subs. And are just conning us again ? Or do they really mean it ? Tac Subs were ONLY EVER used in a system that alowed multiple use. NEVER anything other. Why the hell can't they just make stuff clear ? Edited November 24, 2017 by Grand Central 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
racers and royals 8,736 Posted November 24, 2017 That would be tragically consistent with the way the BSPA PR tends to work. That is true. In addition the BSPA website refers to it as "... rolled back the years by bringing back the traditional tactical substitute when a team is six points or more" And the Speedway Star says a "... return to tactical substitutes" Are they just being disingenuous with the false inference that we are returning to past usage of tac subs. And are just conning us again ? Or do they really mean it ? Tac Subs were ONLY EVER used in a system that alowed multiple use. NEVER anything other. Why the hell can't they just make stuff clear ? The vice-chairman "why we ditched double" "the proposal to drop the double points and bring back tactical substitutes was to general acclaim, there was no dissent at all " Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
noggin 1,390 Posted November 24, 2017 So which year have they rolled back to, when only one t/s was allowed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCB 0 Posted November 24, 2017 That is true. In addition the BSPA website refers to it as "... rolled back the years by bringing back the traditional tactical substitute when a team is six points or more" And the Speedway Star says a "... return to tactical substitutes" Are they just being disingenuous with the false inference that we are returning to past usage of tac subs. And are just conning us again ? Or do they really mean it ? Tac Subs were ONLY EVER used in a system that alowed multiple use. NEVER anything other. Why the hell can't they just make stuff clear ? Don't forget this is the same bunch that about 3 years ago claimed to have, "listened to the fans views" in regards to the TR and increased how far behind you had to be an how many you could use. Despite the fact the Speedway Stars poll said circa-85% wanted the rule scrapped (not tweaked). So an outright lie. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waytogo28 2,054 Posted November 25, 2017 Grand Central wrote " Why the hell can't they just make stuff clear ?" I add why can't they understand that some of us feel it's all smoke and mirrors or that they at the BSPA want to hide things and bury them in confusion. Getting back the confidence of existing fans and making sure that new fans ( who we might attract ) don't feel as if they they are not sure of what's going on ( or how the hell are things run ) is vital, really vital. Please BSPA try harder to make things in UK speedway much more transparent and more easily understood by all - fans, sponsors, riders AND promoters. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
moxey63 1,785 Posted November 25, 2017 Moxey - just accept you lied and tried a bluff and got found out. Err... ok. Let's just move on then... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ragdoll64 647 Posted November 25, 2017 Err... ok. Let's just move on then... Please God................please. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crazyb 156 Posted November 27, 2017 I would expect they still will. Minimum rides being one less than scheduled rides seems right. I thought the pretty much unanimous consensus was that it was a cost saving measure as opposed to the ts rule it replaced? It was a cost saver and one of the instigators I believe was Len Silver: I don't think Gordon Pairman is right at all, TS will be available to all seven riders if team is six points behind. Should make team managers earn their money. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alan_Jones 1,005 Posted November 27, 2017 I don't think Gordon Pairman is right at all If you mean about only 1 use per meeting, Chris Louis says the following in his AGM round up; "It has been replaced by an old fashioned tactical substitution where you can replace a rider with one that is in better form or whatever and you can do that once between heats five and 14 excluding heat eight." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The White Knight 9,039 Posted November 27, 2017 It was a cost saver and one of the instigators I believe was Len Silver: I don't think Gordon Pairman is right at all, TS will be available to all seven riders if team is six points behind. Should make team managers earn their money. Looks like you are wrong I'm pleased to say. If you mean about only 1 use per meeting, Chris Louis says the following in his AGM round up; "It has been replaced by an old fashioned tactical substitution where you can replace a rider with one that is in better form or whatever and you can do that once between heats five and 14 excluding heat eight." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
