The Third Man 2,217 Posted February 25, 2018 6 minutes ago, SCB said: Except it does make sense or the second division will end up with a load of first division riders and increase costs. It is as fair as the points limit because it applies to all teams and all riders. It is applied to everyone. Name a rider with a Premiership average over 6 that has been allowed to drop down? It didn't apply to all riders, riders with a higher average were allowed to ride in the CL it discriminated against riders that didn't ride in the CL last season. the old rule was applied to all riders in what is now the PL with an average over 6, so didn't discriminate against anyone 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenga 2,998 Posted February 25, 2018 the 2nd division is already full of elite, premier riders, or is it the other way round ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Argos 262 Posted February 25, 2018 The BSPA cannot invent rules that contravene the law of the land but they do, Speedway riders are protected by Employment Law, They are self employed and have freedom of choice who they want to ride for, which means they are not assets of any Company Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tsunami 10,219 Posted February 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, Argos said: The BSPA cannot invent rules that contravene the law of the land but they do, Speedway riders are protected by Employment Law, , which means they are not assets of any Company Not assets, but clubs hold the registration to ride in the UK. How does the law stand then when a rider has a visa, but wants to change clubs midseason. Surely your statement can't be true in those circumstances. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crazyb 156 Posted February 25, 2018 2 hours ago, The Third Man said: Points limit is the same for all teams, all teams agreed to the points limit Nichols and Kennett were not treated the same as other eiders of equal or even better ability I don't see what there is to misunderstand about this Did Peterborough agree. They didn't or weren't allowed to attend the meeting Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wealdstone 3,454 Posted February 25, 2018 At a recent event the promoters of one club inferred that the AGM did not go as well as has been claimed and not all in agreement by any means. Peterborough were not in attendance as Ged suspended and Swales retired. I understand that those in charge did not have the courtesy to inform Peterborough of the outcome. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
enotian 562 Posted February 25, 2018 5 hours ago, Argos said: Points limit is not unlawful, rider assets are, simple as What if a rider claimed the points limit was set so low as to exclude their participation? Plenty have been in that boat over the years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
New era Panthers 2,055 Posted February 25, 2018 1 hour ago, wealdstone said: At a recent event the promoters of one club inferred that the AGM did not go as well as has been claimed and not all in agreement by any means. Peterborough were not in attendance as Ged suspended and Swales retired. I understand that those in charge did not have the courtesy to inform Peterborough of the outcome. That's what I have been given to understand they never informed him of the outcome of the AGM and every thing he learned second hand from social media . Very shoddy treatment from the BSPA , they are an absolute disgrace. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heedthebaw 439 Posted February 25, 2018 18 minutes ago, New era Panthers said: That's what I have been given to understand they never informed him of the outcome of the AGM and every thing he learned second hand from social media . Very shoddy treatment from the BSPA , they are an absolute disgrace. Do you hosestly believe that is the case ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
New era Panthers 2,055 Posted February 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Heedthebaw said: Do you hosestly believe that is the case ? Yes I do , he may have received the info but it was at least a week later than those informed at the AGM , which gave all those that attended a head start on rules and team building which is a very unfair way of doing things IMO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenga 2,998 Posted February 26, 2018 worky were in the same boat as peterborough . they did not attend either . travel may have had something to do with it . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
New era Panthers 2,055 Posted February 26, 2018 1 hour ago, jenga said: worky were in the same boat as peterborough . they did not attend either . travel may have had something to do with it . With age of modern technology there is no excuse for this situation . I still say it is a disgrace it could have been faxed or one of several other means of communication. Shoddy is a polite way of describing it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawk127 1,359 Posted February 26, 2018 Maybe this could serve as a wake up call. Simplify what seems to be a overly complicated product. Basic rules. After all you have four riders in a race, four laps fixed helmet colours, simple points system. Add no gardening at the tapes, restarts, straight back to tapes, no mechanics on tracks, tactical substitute as and when, thirteen heats and riders contracted for the season only. No assets and no loan fees. One possible change, grade riders. That is it. Any issue over which riders are in what league is scrapped. North and South leagues only with the second tier being the NL. What more do you need.? One down side though. Thirty odd club owners who cannot agree what day of the week it is let alone deliver a simple product that they have managed to take to a level of complication that baffles rocket scientists and professors. That is why it is such disarray. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stainlesssteelride 106 Posted February 26, 2018 Make it 15 or even more heats and you have cracked it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Argos 262 Posted February 26, 2018 13 hours ago, Tsunami said: Not assets, but clubs hold the registration to ride in the UK. How does the law stand then when a rider has a visa, but wants to change clubs midseason. Surely your statement can't be true in those circumstances. Tuff he can’t change mid season he as agreed a contract to ride for a club from March to October, he must honor it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites