Mark 1,497 Posted August 25, 2018 Dudek was wrongly penalised by the ref for a perfect start in the final Why not have a 2nd ref who watch the start replay iimediately and if necessary stop the race. It would mean the riders go a lap but we would get the correct decision. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Star Lady 5,400 Posted August 25, 2018 Why not just invest in transponders? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark 1,497 Posted August 25, 2018 Costly maybe but it would work Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSC67 1,465 Posted August 25, 2018 Get rid of the tapes , green light start like other forms of motor sport Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Star Lady 5,400 Posted August 25, 2018 29 minutes ago, Mark said: Costly maybe but it would work Charge all the hangers on in the pits full admission and it would be paid for 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iainb 5,022 Posted August 26, 2018 12 hours ago, Mark said: Costly maybe but it would work these guys are millionaires! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AFCB Wildcat 1,362 Posted August 26, 2018 It seems to me that to much onus is on the referee. Could there not be a line judge a la tennis or linesman at football who could be knelt on the centre green looking along the start line? He could have a button that disabled the tapes from being released and puts the red light on if he sees movement and report the offender to the referee. If the referee has released the tapes before his button is pressed then it's a fair start. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSC67 1,465 Posted August 26, 2018 Bring back the two extra guys standing in between the riders at the start to watch for movement Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BangerBoy 47 Posted August 27, 2018 17 hours ago, AFCB Wildcat said: It seems to me that to much onus is on the referee. Could there not be a line judge a la tennis or linesman at football who could be knelt on the centre green looking along the start line? He could have a button that disabled the tapes from being released and puts the red light on if he sees movement and report the offender to the referee. If the referee has released the tapes before his button is pressed then it's a fair start. Think that's a bit over the top me thinks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark 1,497 Posted August 27, 2018 17 hours ago, AFCB Wildcat said: It seems to me that to much onus is on the referee. Could there not be a line judge a la tennis or linesman at football who could be knelt on the centre green looking along the start line? He could have a button that disabled the tapes from being released and puts the red light on if he sees movement and report the offender to the referee. If the referee has released the tapes before his button is pressed then it's a fair start. Human eye gets it wrong in tennis & football, players appeal line calls and we have VAR in football. A quick re-run on TV for a 2nd referee would show if there is movement. Decision could be made probably before a lap is completed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
screm 8,057 Posted August 27, 2018 On 8/25/2018 at 8:46 PM, Mark said: Dudek was wrongly penalised by the ref for a perfect start in the final Why not have a 2nd ref who watch the start replay iimediately and if necessary stop the race. It would mean the riders go a lap but we would get the correct decision. By the time ref No2 has done his checks the race will be half over, in other motor sports when a driver/rider has jumped the start they get a time penalty, obviously that can`t happen in speedway. Maybe we could let the race go then exclude the rider after the race though I quite like the starting rule in SGP at present, though some riders seem to learn their lessons and get warned every GP. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OveFundinFan 4,143 Posted August 27, 2018 13 minutes ago, screm said: By the time ref No2 has done his checks the race will be half over, in other motor sports when a driver/rider has jumped the start they get a time penalty, obviously that can`t happen in speedway. Maybe we could let the race go then exclude the rider after the race though I quite like the starting rule in SGP at present, though some riders seem to learn their lessons and get warned every GP. but its not quiet right, Dudek last Saturday, Cookie the time before (and he needs all the help he can get). We are in the 21st century, the age of computers and electronics...…. is even the GP series so far behind the times and cant/wont progress forward? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shockster 402 Posted August 27, 2018 Just let the riders move or do what they want. if they touch the tapes, they're out. It's that simple to me. There would hardly be a restart. Can't see what's wrong with this method. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark 1,497 Posted August 27, 2018 42 minutes ago, Shockster said: Just let the riders move or do what they want. if they touch the tapes, they're out. It's that simple to me. There would hardly be a restart. Can't see what's wrong with this method. guess more riders would go through the tapes with some anticipating the start. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OveFundinFan 4,143 Posted August 27, 2018 Letting riders move as much as they want, except touch the tapes, leaves rider on gate 2 and 3 very vulnerable to riders on 1 and 4 twitching hoping to get rider 2 and 3 moving and touching the tapes. That's a form of cheating. Riders in MotoGP, British Superbikes etc and Formula 1 etc all start from rest and don't have a tape, transponders. No good going back to you can do anything you want at the tapes, there was enough of that in the 70's/80's and Ivan was the master at it, but not only him. Would Ivan had won so many world championships if he had to stay still at the start? We don't know, and it doesn't matter, its whats done now. Especially in the world championship where a lot of money is at stake (for being world champ), extra appearance money, sponsors money, etc. And I want to see a winner who deserved to win. Technology is there, speedway needs a kick to the 21st century. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites