stevebrum 6,821 Posted March 15, 2020 2 hours ago, geoff58 said: proof is their tho that is the difference 2 hours ago, orion said: in Swindon case its about 10 % ..even now they were poping champagne cocks when they got planning permission ...You do wonder when they will learn about Clark and Gaming int . What is the delay now ? I know there is a difference when we are looking at a council led build and a gaming company with a seemingly poor history. I guess time will only tell but I hope the Swindon fans get what they are expecting. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
orion 7,615 Posted March 15, 2020 29 minutes ago, stevebrum said: I guess time will only tell but I hope the Swindon fans get what they are expecting. I hope not Steve . I hope we get what we are not expecting Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevebrum 6,821 Posted March 15, 2020 1 hour ago, orion said: I hope not Steve . I hope we get what we are not expecting Oh yes, I get your point now Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DC2 11,150 Posted April 22, 2020 Which team would win, 2007 or 2019? Considering how the riders performed in those seasons and not on their reputations, I wouldn’t be so sure that the 2007 one would thrash the 2019 one: 2007 Adams Chrzanowski Gjedde Ulamek Richardson Korneliesen Moore 2019 Doyle Ellis Musielak Jensen Batchelor Vissing Perks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grachan 7,362 Posted April 22, 2020 5 minutes ago, DC2 said: Which team would win, 2007 or 2019? Considering how the riders performed in those seasons and not on their reputations, I wouldn’t be so sure that the 2007 one would thrash the 2019 one: 2007 Adams Chrzanowski Gjedde Ulamek Richardson Korneliesen Moore 2019 Doyle Ellis Musielak Jensen Batchelor Vissing Perks 2007 was a lot stronger. That was before the sport went on a campaign of weakening and downgrading the teams over consecutive years. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DC2 11,150 Posted April 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Grachan said: 2007 was a lot stronger. That was before the sport went on a campaign of weakening and downgrading the teams over consecutive years. Do you think the 2007 2, 3 and 4 would beat last year’s counterparts based on their form in the respective seasons? And Adams and Richardson would 5-1 Doyle and Batchelor? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grachan 7,362 Posted April 22, 2020 1 minute ago, DC2 said: Do you think the 2007 2, 3 and 4 would beat last year’s counterparts based on their form in the respective seasons? And Adams and Richardson would 5-1 Doyle and Batchelor? The one thing 2020 has, possibly, is more of a winning mentality. Just on rider standard alone, 2007 is stronger for me. The 2020 side performed better but the league was stronger in 2007. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DC2 11,150 Posted April 22, 2020 5 minutes ago, Grachan said: The one thing 2020 has, possibly, is more of a winning mentality. Just on rider standard alone, 2007 is stronger for me. The 2020 side performed better but the league was stronger in 2007. I remember thinking at the start of 2007 it was a dream team but they never seemed to all fire at the same time. Gjedde in particular was poor and dropped to reserve (although he did have some good meetings there away from home) and the Poles seemed to go off the boil to the extent that made Rosco say he would never sign another again. And while I liked Andy Moore he just couldn’t gate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Weasel 306 Posted April 23, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, DC2 said: Which team would win, 2007 or 2019? Considering how the riders performed in those seasons and not on their reputations, I wouldn’t be so sure that the 2007 one would thrash the 2019 one: You only have to look at the SGB website archive section for your answer, the 2007 side finished with a team average of 47.70 and won all 18 home fixtures in a considerably tougher league, last years team finished with a combined 46.34. 5 hours ago, DC2 said: I remember thinking at the start of 2007 it was a dream team but they never seemed to all fire at the same time. Gjedde in particular was poor and dropped to reserve (although he did have some good meetings there away from home) and the Poles seemed to go off the boil to the extent that made Rosco say he would never sign another again. And while I liked Andy Moore he just couldn’t gate. We were all disappointed with how the 2007 season finished up but your memory is obviously only fixed on the end of season performance, the team were by and large superb home (hitting 50+ in 16 of the 18 fixtures) and away (8 wins from 18) until late in the season where they lost a handful of away fixtures on the run in and completely fell apart in the away leg of the Grand Final. As for Mooro it's all relative to ability, he appeared to be unable to gate because of the quality of opposition, if he was riding in the current set up he'd be a trump card at reserve and would more likely be a steady 2nd string. Edited April 23, 2020 by The Weasel grammar 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DC2 11,150 Posted April 23, 2020 4 hours ago, The Weasel said: You only have to look at the SGB website archive section for your answer, the 2007 side finished with a team average of 47.70 and won all 18 home fixtures in a considerably tougher league, last years team finished with a combined 46.34. We were all disappointed with how the 2007 season finished up but your memory is obviously only fixed on the end of season performance, the team were by and large superb home (hitting 50+ in 16 of the 18 fixtures) and away (8 wins from 18) until late in the season where they lost a handful of away fixtures on the run in and completely fell apart in the away leg of the Grand Final. As for Mooro it's all relative to ability, he appeared to be unable to gate because of the quality of opposition, if he was riding in the current set up he'd be a trump card at reserve and would more likely be a steady 2nd string. That’s all well reasoned. But would you pick the 2007 Chrzanowski, Ulamek and Gjedde over the 2019 Ellis, Musielak and Jensen If you were picking a team for this year? I certainly wouldn’t. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sidney the robin 4,735 Posted April 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, DC2 said: That’s all well reasoned. But would you pick the 2007 Chrzanowski, Ulamek and Gjedde over the 2019 Ellis, Musielak and Jensen If you were picking a team for this year? I certainly wouldn’t. Agree. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grachan 7,362 Posted April 23, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, DC2 said: That’s all well reasoned. But would you pick the 2007 Chrzanowski, Ulamek and Gjedde over the 2019 Ellis, Musielak and Jensen If you were picking a team for this year? I certainly wouldn’t. It's quite interesting when you really look and analyse the two teams that there isn't so much difference in strength considering all the weakening of the league that has gone on since. (Although, of course, we have to remember that the 2007 side were not Champions). The main difference, when you look at the teams in the league from now and then, is that most teams had a World Class number one then. Apart from that, there isn't too much difference. Swindon, of course, had a World class no 1 in 2019, which made a lot of difference for them. Comparing the two sides: Adams v Doyle - I'd say Adams was the better rider, but Doyle has the winning mentality. I'd go for Leigh though at league level. Chrzanowski v Ellis - Ellis, and he's still improving Gjedde v Musielak - pretty even. On top form I'd go for Musielak Ulamek v Jensen - Jensen due to his passing ability Richardson v Batchelor - Richardson Korneliusen v Vissing - Kornieliesen. And this is a big, key difference I think. Moore v Perks - Moore. So, I make it 4-3 to 2007, which is pretty close. Adams v Doyle you could go even, as both could beat everyone else in the league. So not such a difference. I'd still go for 2007, though, based on reserve strength. Having Korneliusen/Chrzanowski at reserve would make a major difference in the weaker races. Edited April 23, 2020 by Grachan 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DC2 11,150 Posted April 23, 2020 I think that’s a fair assessment, Grachan. Lots of fans say the league has been weakened every year so you’d imagine our 2019 team to be like an NL side compared to the 2007 one, but it isn’t anything like that weak. The only “weakening” has been the loss of a handful of GP standard number 1s and some reserves promoted prematurely from the lower leagues. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grachan 7,362 Posted April 23, 2020 Just now, DC2 said: I think that’s a fair assessment, Grachan. Lots of fans say the league has been weakened every year so you’d imagine our 2019 team to be like an NL side compared to the 2007 one, but it isn’t anything like that weak. The only “weakening” has been the loss of a handful of GP standard number 1s and some reserves promoted prematurely from the lower leagues. As you say, stronger numbers ones then, and a bit more solid at reserve. The middle orders are pretty much the same. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EnglishRoundabout 1,752 Posted April 23, 2020 I remember the Adver headlines pre season 2007, something like “ Roscos’s dream team”, referring to the line up he had put together for the coming season. The failure to win any trophies that year was very disappointing and I recall Leigh Adams being particularly disappointed with the Performance of the team in the second leg of the play off final at Coventry. The team simply buckled under the pressure of a fired up Coventry side that night. Personally I think both the 2007 team and the 2019 team were pretty evenly matched, and I’d agree that the teams in 2007 were much stronger, I’d take the 2019 to win a match between the two sides, if anything because the 2019 team appeared to be much tougher mentally. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites