mikebv 10,292 Posted November 21, 2020 1 hour ago, stevehone said: if all these riders want to drop the British League, then let them without argument, if the (almost) impossible actually happens and the promoters stick together, it could be the ideal time to have speedway's very own great reset. i used to love the National League (80s version) and a league like that now without the Poland bound riders in my opinion would create a great starting point to move forward and let the BL create it's own stars. An obvious opportunity that should have been taken the year it became clear Poland was THE priority for the very best riders.. Instead we have had well over a decade, of moving around fixtures and guestfests to accommodate and replace, by far, the most expensive riders, who, if they knocked on the doors of the houses on the streets adjacent to the tracks, no one would recognise.. Covid 19 has given those who run it an ideal opportunity for a 100% needed complete reset.... Fans desperate for any Speedway will turn up next year in strong numbers I would say, regardless of team strengths.. Will this opportunity be taken? We already know the answer don't we?... 4 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anzum 250 Posted November 25, 2020 Doyle and Jack Holder chosen Britain over Sweden according to Speedway Gp site. Doyle has relinquished his team spot at Vastervik Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John Scrutton 180 Posted December 4, 2020 Just a thought about banning riders from riding for teams in other countries. i was under †he inpression that you coudnt stop a rider from earning a living and that riders were Free /Lance. or have it got it wrong ?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PHILIPRISING 7,298 Posted December 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, John Scrutton said: Just a thought about banning riders from riding for teams in other countries. i was under †he inpression that you coudnt stop a rider from earning a living and that riders were Free /Lance. or have it got it wrong ?? NO but a Polish club can include certain terms in a contract and then it is up to the rider to sign it or not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
geoff100 1,426 Posted December 4, 2020 2 hours ago, PHILIPRISING said: NO but a Polish club can include certain terms in a contract and then it is up to the rider to sign it or not. restrainght (sic) of trade?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PHILIPRISING 7,298 Posted December 4, 2020 51 minutes ago, geoff100 said: restrainght (sic) of trade?? NO, personal choice. Sign or don't sign. Many people in a wide variety of employment sign excursive contracts... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
poole keith 911 Posted December 4, 2020 i would advice anyone that before signing an "excursive" contract they first find out what it is lol 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
f-s-p 832 Posted December 5, 2020 (edited) 23 hours ago, PHILIPRISING said: NO but a Polish club can include certain terms in a contract and then it is up to the rider to sign it or not. Which is it,do you know for certain that it’s a contract clause. Not a PZM ruling? I have mixed info... Edited December 5, 2020 by f-s-p Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daniel Smith 5,666 Posted December 5, 2020 1 hour ago, f-s-p said: Which is it,do you know for certain that it’s a contract clause. Not a PZM ruling? I have mixed info... It can be both. The PZM make the rules & that rule has to be in the rider's contract to protect the league. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
f-s-p 832 Posted December 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Daniel Smith said: It can be both. The PZM make the rules & that rule has to be in the rider's contract to protect the league. Some people here keep talking about restriction of trade and all that crap. PZM ruling is just that, a clause in a contract is a riders choice. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv 10,706 Posted December 5, 2020 (edited) 35 minutes ago, f-s-p said: Some people here keep talking about restriction of trade and all that crap. PZM ruling is just that, a clause in a contract is a riders choice. Very much so - if it's a PZM ruling all clubs have to abide. If it's a contract clause any club could choose not to invoke it unilaterally If all clubs have conspired to bring contracts of that nature into force without a PZM ruling that would be a cartel - which is also an illegal business practice Edited December 5, 2020 by dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
f-s-p 832 Posted December 5, 2020 56 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: Very much so - if it's a PZM ruling all clubs have to abide. If it's a contract clause any club could choose not to invoke it unilaterally If all clubs have conspired to bring contracts of that nature into force without a PZM ruling that would be a cartel - which is also an illegal business practice In Poland? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daniel Smith 5,666 Posted December 5, 2020 2 hours ago, f-s-p said: Some people here keep talking about restriction of trade and all that crap. PZM ruling is just that, a clause in a contract is a riders choice. PZM ruling or clause in the contract, both are a rider's choice. Contracts are not just about how much money you'll get etc. These contracts are also agreements that you'll abide by the governing bodies regulations. You seem to be confusing yourself that it has to be one way or the other when in fact it's both. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ben91 1,743 Posted December 5, 2020 4 hours ago, f-s-p said: Some people here keep talking about restriction of trade and all that crap. PZM ruling is just that, a clause in a contract is a riders choice. Every Polish club will offer contracts with the two leagues only clause inserted. If they show solidarity in that respect they’ll get their wishes because they pay best on the whole. Loophole exploited. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
topsoil 2,498 Posted December 5, 2020 Why don't the BSPA insert a clause into the contracts of all British riders that if a Polish club wants to sign them in the future, there is a buyout clause. If Poland want to sign British riders in the future, British clubs should be compensated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites