szkocjasid 3,032 Posted June 18, 2022 14 hours ago, Trees said: I was hoping they would've got their heads together and made a stand but no ...... 13 hours ago, TTT said: Have to ride in Poland because that's where the money is at. If every top rider at the start of 2021 got together & agreed not to sign for the Polish Extraliga, the PZM would either have had to change the rules or run with a Div 1 stronger than the top tier. The riders could all have agreed if PZM don't back down, we'll sign out contracts on the last possible day - so they didn't risk losing out in the high wages! But why would the PZM ever change their stance now? Riders have said they don't agree with it, but still willingly sign. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bagpuss 10,781 Posted June 18, 2022 6 minutes ago, Najjer said: They havent banned anybody. As I said in a previous post, NKI is just as much to blame… he could of always dropped one of his other teams or heaven forbid his Polish team. He could of signed for Newcastle and double upped then too!! Effectively they are banning riders from racing where they want though because they probably pay them more than the other leagues put together! They know very well riders won't jack Poland in. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tellboy 3,662 Posted June 18, 2022 18 minutes ago, arnieg said: YES Have a look at the 1970s Polish averages. How many meetings did riders like Jancarz and Plech miss because their British contracts required them to be in the UK? Travel was a lot different then,it would have been like it is in Poland now but the other way around,monetary wise much better for them to be here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tellboy 3,662 Posted June 18, 2022 31 minutes ago, Najjer said: They havent banned anybody. As I said in a previous post, NKI is just as much to blame… he could of always dropped one of his other teams or heaven forbid his Polish team. He could of signed for Newcastle and double upped then too!! This is true,Poland aren't banning anyone but they are restricting them.For instance he could sign in Poland and only ride 2 other leagues.Then people will say well he don't have to ride Poland then realistically you still only have the UK,Sweden and Denmark.So still only 3 leagues.They are restricting riders because what ever way a rider goes about he will have to drop a league. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tellboy 3,662 Posted June 18, 2022 27 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: If every top rider at the start of 2021 got together & agreed not to sign for the Polish Extraliga, the PZM would either have had to change the rules or run with a Div 1 stronger than the top tier. The riders could all have agreed if PZM don't back down, we'll sign out contracts on the last possible day - so they didn't risk losing out in the high wages! But why would the PZM ever change their stance now? Riders have said they don't agree with it, but still willingly sign. This is the 2022,people don't stick together anymore like they use too in 70's and 80's to get what they want/deserve.People would rather stab you in the back nowadays.This is in pretty much any job/proffession you do now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv 10,706 Posted June 18, 2022 3 hours ago, szkocjasid said: If every top rider at the start of 2021 got together & agreed not to sign for the Polish Extraliga, the PZM would either have had to change the rules or run with a Div 1 stronger than the top tier. The riders could all have agreed if PZM don't back down, we'll sign out contracts on the last possible day - so they didn't risk losing out in the high wages! But why would the PZM ever change their stance now? Riders have said they don't agree with it, but still willingly sign. And Turkeys will vote for Christmas...... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tocha 308 Posted June 18, 2022 It is strange that the PZM should have taken this decision now. Ebsjerg have one more meeting in June(29th) and I am sure Tai Woffinden, with whom he shares the 'A' position, will be keen to take that fixture in preparation for the SON. Then, Denmark have a break in league fixtures until 3rd August. An option could be for NKI to withdraw from riding in Denmark for now and see what the situation is then. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wtf 621 Posted June 18, 2022 (edited) What the PZM are doing is no different to anyone else offering a contract of employment. they are imposing conditions on that employment that no one is forced to sign, but they do. It's no different to you getting a builder round to build an extension and agreeing to pay them a large fee if they only work on your job and one other at the same time to minimise problems that other jobs they do could take them away from your contract. the builder can either sign the contract with the big bucks or not and go work elsewhere. The PZM are only doing what's right for them (why would they not?) The riders if they stuck together would have huge power, but they never will as they are all trying to get one over on each other anyway. they are competitors for jobs at the end of the day. If you pay peanuts you'll end up with scraps Edited June 18, 2022 by wtf 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
speedwaysliders 176 Posted June 18, 2022 21 minutes ago, wtf said: What the PZM are doing is no different to anyone else offering a contract of employment. they are imposing conditions on that employment that no one is forced to sign, but they do. It's no different to you getting a builder round to build an extension and agreeing to pay them a large fee if they only work on your job and one other at the same time to minimise problems that other jobs they do could take them away from your contract. the builder can either sign the contract with the big bucks or not and go work elsewhere. The PZM are only doing what's right for them (why would they not?) The riders if they stuck together would have huge power, but they never will as they are all trying to get one over on each other anyway. they are competitors for jobs at the end of the day. If you pay peanuts you'll end up with scraps Thing is i dont think NKI is riding well enough at the moment to take on the Polish League again.So what will happen if the move backfires?!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
speedwaysliders 176 Posted June 18, 2022 5 hours ago, Bagpuss said: Effectively they are banning riders from racing where they want though because they probably pay them more than the other leagues put together! They know very well riders won't jack Poland in. JASON DOYLE DID,its not all about money for him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wtf 621 Posted June 18, 2022 43 minutes ago, speedwaysliders said: JASON DOYLE DID,its not all about money for him. No he didn't he chose the UK over Sweden not poland. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
speedwaysliders 176 Posted June 18, 2022 20 minutes ago, wtf said: No he didn't he chose the UK over Sweden not poland. OK my mistake Sweden ,but it must be worth more then the uk league for Jason. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv 10,706 Posted June 18, 2022 1 hour ago, speedwaysliders said: JASON DOYLE DID,its not all about money for him. 36 minutes ago, wtf said: No he didn't he chose the UK over Sweden not poland. 14 minutes ago, speedwaysliders said: OK my mistake Sweden ,but it must be worth more then the uk league for Jason. Family and personal considerations over the pure financial position possibly - or a UK deal at least on a par with Sweden perhaps...... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tocha 308 Posted June 18, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: Family and personal considerations over the pure financial position possibly - or a UK deal at least on a par with Sweden perhaps...... Also, Jason is a rider who likes to keep busy. In Sweden he would have a minimum of 14 fixtures plus play-offs etc. Here he gets a minimum of 29 plus any guest appearences that might be in the offing. Getting back to NKI, here's a plan that could work. He drops out of the Danish league for the 29th June fixture as suggested and stays with the Stars throughout July. He can then re-join Ebsjerg from the 3rd August whereby King's Lynn can claim a 28 day facility covering them until the end of August. The regular season in Denmark is over by 24th August so if Ebsjerg fail to reach the play-offs (they are currently 3rd) he could come back to King's Lynn. However, if they do, it frees up other riders of clubs whose competition is over or the play-offs can be covered by Woffinden. Edited June 18, 2022 by tocha 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevehone 3,429 Posted June 18, 2022 in the 70s and 80s a lot of UK based riders would make a point of going over to Germany etc for Sunday longtrack and earning really good money from one meeting 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
