Roger Jacobs 555 Posted April 30, 2022 4 hours ago, lisa-colette said: So Hume has just beaten Pickering at Edinburgh, might have got a draw or even a win if he did it last night! Another night, on a different track. In fact, stage the Witches v Stars at Foxhall again with the same line-ups, and you'll get a different result. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bald Bloke 3,296 Posted April 30, 2022 11 hours ago, Roger Jacobs said: Another night, on a different track. In fact, stage the Witches v Stars at Foxhall again with the same line-ups, and you'll get a different result. You could well do. Richard and Josh might get 20 between them next time Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Roger Jacobs 555 Posted April 30, 2022 4 hours ago, Bald Bloke said: You could well do. Richard and Josh might get 20 between them next time That's the whole point. Some fans saying, if, if, if - it applies to both teams. Lawson normally rides very well at Foxhall, scored 3! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steve Irving 393 Posted April 30, 2022 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Roger Jacobs said: That's the whole point. Some fans saying, if, if, if - it applies to both teams. Lawson normally rides very well at Foxhall, scored 3! Exactly, he scored 3, that was his score, nobody is guessing are they? If you’re talking about a different meeting then sure, his score will certainly be different on a different day. So this “if” doesn’t apply to both teams does it? Because only one team were missing their riders and it wasn’t Lynn who were at full strength. Nobody knows for certain that Starke and Rowe would have scored more than the two points from eight rides that their replacements managed, but an educated guess tells you it’s more than likely! Edited April 30, 2022 by Steve Irving Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Falcon1983 558 Posted April 30, 2022 Every meeting is different and you can only race with the riders available Heeps scored 2 I think he would have scored 2 riding at no.2 I think Riss had the pace to win all his races but he was racing Doyle in 3 So Riss at 4 would have seen witches "most likely" win the meeting Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Roger Jacobs 555 Posted May 1, 2022 7 hours ago, Steve Irving said: Exactly, he scored 3, that was his score, nobody is guessing are they? If you’re talking about a different meeting then sure, his score will certainly be different on a different day. So this “if” doesn’t apply to both teams does it? Because only one team were missing their riders and it wasn’t Lynn who were at full strength. Nobody knows for certain that Starke and Rowe would have scored more than the two points from eight rides that their replacements managed, but an educated guess tells you it’s more than likely! The point I made is that if you stage the match again with the *same* line-ups you would get a different result. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Roger Jacobs 555 Posted May 1, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, Falcon1983 said: Every meeting is different and you can only race with the riders available Heeps scored 2 I think he would have scored 2 riding at no.2 I think Riss had the pace to win all his races but he was racing Doyle in 3 So Riss at 4 would have seen witches "most likely" win the meeting "Racing Doyle"?! They are team mates. The whole point of that pairing, no matter how strange it seemed, was that they would score heat advantages - which they did. Riss also covered Heat 8. The big question is will they risk Heeps at 2 for the match against Belle Vue ... if they do, and he fails to race Doyle (LOL!), at least Starke will be available to cover Heat 8. Edited May 1, 2022 by Roger Jacobs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ipswichwitches 16 Posted May 1, 2022 7 hours ago, Roger Jacobs said: "Racing Doyle"?! They are team mates. The whole point of that pairing, no matter how strange it seemed, was that they would score heat advantages - which they did. Riss also covered Heat 8. The big question is will they risk Heeps at 2 for the match against Belle Vue ... if they do, and he fails to race Doyle (LOL!), at least Starke will be available to cover Heat 8. With heat 8 being a protected heat, the only way Starke could come in is for a tapes offence or failing to beat 2 minutes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Roger Jacobs 555 Posted May 1, 2022 5 hours ago, ipswichwitches said: With heat 8 being a protected heat, the only way Starke could come in is for a tapes offence or failing to beat 2 minutes. Only the #7 is protected - the #6 can replace the #2. Indeed, it's not clear if a T/S can or can't be used for the #2. I've asked the SCB and BSPL why the regulation is hidden under: "012.6 RACE FORMATS 012.6.1 15 Heats In all Premiership Team competitions the #7 is protected in heats 2 and 8 and no replacements are permitted unless injured and confirmed in writing by the MO" 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tellboy 3,672 Posted May 1, 2022 2 hours ago, Roger Jacobs said: Only the #7 is protected - the #6 can replace the #2. Indeed, it's not clear if a T/S can or can't be used for the #2. I've asked the SCB and BSPL why the regulation is hidden under: "012.6 RACE FORMATS 012.6.1 15 Heats In all Premiership Team competitions the #7 is protected in heats 2 and 8 and no replacements are permitted unless injured and confirmed in writing by the Didn't think a T/S was allowed in ht 8 anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cowboy cookie returns? 752 Posted May 1, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Roger Jacobs said: Only the #7 is protected - the #6 can replace the #2. Indeed, it's not clear if a T/S can or can't be used for the #2. I've asked the SCB and BSPL why the regulation is hidden under: "012.6 RACE FORMATS 012.6.1 15 Heats In all Premiership Team competitions the #7 is protected in heats 2 and 8 and no replacements are permitted unless injured and confirmed in writing by the MO" If they put Heeps in at 2 v Belle Vue and he has a mare in heat 1 & 6 a decent team manager would keep him in the pits so he gets excluded under the 2 minute rule for heat 8. Edited May 1, 2022 by cowboy cookie returns? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2ndbendbeerhut 1,781 Posted May 1, 2022 47 minutes ago, cowboy cookie returns? said: If they put Heeps in at 2 v Belle Vue and he has a mare in heat 1 & 6 a decent team manager would keep him in the pits so he gets excluded under the 2 minute rule for heat 8. So he would still be in heat 8 then...... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikebv 10,379 Posted May 1, 2022 (edited) 48 minutes ago, cowboy cookie returns? said: If they put Heeps in at 2 v Belle Vue and he has a mare in heat 1 & 6 a decent team manager would keep him in the pits so he gets excluded under the 2 minute rule for heat 8. But he would still need to take his third ride in Ht 10 against tougher opposition.. The oppositions 3 and 4.... Ht 8 might be the race to keep him in given two reserves are in it... And, if needed, he could be replaced by a tactical sub in Ht 10, which couldn't be done if he hadn't done three rides already... Edited May 1, 2022 by mikebv 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cowboy cookie returns? 752 Posted May 1, 2022 57 minutes ago, mikebv said: But he would still need to take his third ride in Ht 10 against tougher opposition.. The oppositions 3 and 4.... Ht 8 might be the race to keep him in given two reserves are in it... And, if needed, he could be replaced by a tactical sub in Ht 10, which couldn't be done if he hadn't done three rides already... But with Doyle in heat ten there is a much better chance to getting a 3-3 than any sort of result in heat 8 with the form Cam & Rowe are in. I'd much rather have Riss at 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tellboy 3,672 Posted May 1, 2022 2 hours ago, cowboy cookie returns? said: If they put Heeps in at 2 v Belle Vue and he has a mare in heat 1 & 6 a decent team manager would keep him in the pits so he gets excluded under the 2 minute rule for heat 8. A decent team manager would just replace him with the other reserve wouldn't they?Don't have to faff about to get him excluded just pull him and get the reserve in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites