SON 2022 27th-30th July Vojens Denmark live on TV

[Fromafar 10,371]

Think the Final will be an interesting meeting,hard to predict the result IMO.

[Trees 2,814]

27 minutes ago, Bagpuss said:

I've seen it once, at Lynn in 2009, Ryan Fisher. Took Ostergaard very wide but it was a very harsh exclusion, one might say his reputation went before him

Not arf!

[Col 854]

I thought it may come down to who scored the most between Becker, Lahti & Huckenbeck for the final qualifying spot.  Didn't realize Lahti had such adequate backup in Timi Salonen - should I have heard of him?

Poland not dominating the semi should give GB, Denmark & Aussies hope they can win.

Norway rather than Slovakia? No Zagar for Slovenia? GB should win semi 2 at a canter! Sweden surely have a third rider more capable than Victor Palovaara?  Fancy the French to edge out the Czech's for the third qualifying spot.

[Col 854]

Wasn't a Pole - Rempala? - excluded for dangerous riding against Lee Richardson at Poole in 2004?

[f-s-p 832]

12 hours ago, arnieg said:

Can someone check to see if f-s-p is OK!

I was and I am. Thank you for your concern. 

[iainb 5,021]

I've said it before and I'll say it again... the Poles ain't all that outside of Poland, history and the record books tells us this

[baiden 90]

18 minutes ago, iainb said:

I've said it before and I'll say it again... the Poles ain't all that outside of Poland, history and the record books tells us this

Zmarzlik is still all that. He just wasn't at his best last night, but he's had plenty of success on tracks outside of Poland. You might have a point with the other Poles, though.

[iainb 5,021]

8 minutes ago, baiden said:

Zmarzlik is still all that. He just wasn't at his best last night, but he's had plenty of success on tracks outside of Poland. You might have a point with the other Poles, though.

Oh yes, I agree, Zmarzlik is special, very special... but I didn't really say that. Poland as a Speedway team, never really shown anything outside of Poland... look at the record books

Edited July 28, 2022 by iainb

[baiden 90]

10 minutes ago, iainb said:

Oh yes, I agree, Zmarlik is special... but I didn't really say that. Poland as a Speedway team, never really shown anything outside of Poland... look at the record books

But that's what I mean. Zmarzlik is good everywhere, even when riding for Poland. It's the rest of the Polish team letting their nation down outside of their home country.

I wasn't disagreeing with you, just pointing out he can almost win meetings on his own (or at least put them in a position to do so - take 2019 Speedway of Nations for example).

[topaz325 1,859]

Well done Finland, Germany went well too. 

[iainb 5,021]

14 minutes ago, baiden said:

But that's what I mean. Zmarzlik is good everywhere, even when riding for Poland. It's the rest of the Polish team letting their nation down outside of their home country.

I wasn't disagreeing with you, just pointing out he can almost win meetings on his own (or at least put them in a position to do so - take 2019 Speedway of Nations for example).

A lot of people seem to have an over inflated opinion of the Poles because in recent times the majority of GP's have been held in their home country.

[iainb 5,021]

Year	Venue	Winners	Runner-up	3rd place
2001	Wrocław	Australia (68 pts)	Poland (65 pts)	Sweden (51 pts)
2002	Peterborough	Australia (64 pts)	Denmark (58 pts)	Sweden (54 pts)
2003	Vojens	Sweden (62 pts)	Australia (57 pts)	Denmark (53 pts)
2004	Poole	Sweden (49 pts)	Great Britain (48 pts)	Denmark (32 pts)
2005	Wrocław	Poland (62 pts)	Sweden (34 pts)	Denmark (31 pts)
2006	Reading	Denmark (45 pts)	Sweden (37 pts)	Great Britain (36 pts)
2007	Leszno	Poland (55 pts)	Denmark (52 pts)	Australia (29 pts)
2008	Vojens	Denmark (49 pts)	Poland (46 pts)	Sweden (39 pts)
2009	Leszno	Poland (44 pts)	Australia (43 pts)	Sweden (36 pts)
2010	Vojens	Poland (44 pts)	Denmark (39 pts)	Sweden (35 pts)
2011	Gorzów Wielkopolski	Poland (51 pts)	Australia (45 pts)	Sweden (30 pts)
2012	Målilla	Denmark (39 pts)	Australia (36 pts)	Russia (30 pts)
2013	Prague	Poland (41 pts)	Denmark (40 pts)	Australia (34 pts)
2014	Bydgoszcz	Denmark (38 pts)	Poland (37 pts)	Australia (36 pts)
2015	Vojens	Sweden (34 pts)	Denmark (32 pts)	Poland (27 pts)
2016	Manchester	Poland (39 pts)	Great Britain (32 pts)	Sweden (30 pts)
2017	Leszno	Poland (50 pts)	Sweden (42 pts)	Russia (18 pts)

 

Year	Venue	Winners	Runner-up	3rd place
2018	Wrocław	Russia (45 Pts)	Great Britain (46 Pts)	Poland (36 Pts)
2019	Tolyatti	Russia (45 Pts)	Poland (47 Pts)	Australia (41 Pts)
2020	Lublin	Russia (23 pts)	Poland (23 pts)	Denmark (19 pts)
2021	Belle Vue	Great Britain (64 pts)	Poland (74 pts)	Denmark (68 pts)

 

3 outside of Poland in 21 years

[Fromafar 10,371]

Some Club over needs to sign Levishyn on a  quick refugee Visa.Looks exciting and would do Job.!!

[baiden 90]

14 minutes ago, iainb said:

Year	Venue	Winners	Runner-up	3rd place
2001	Wrocław	Australia (68 pts)	Poland (65 pts)	Sweden (51 pts)
2002	Peterborough	Australia (64 pts)	Denmark (58 pts)	Sweden (54 pts)
2003	Vojens	Sweden (62 pts)	Australia (57 pts)	Denmark (53 pts)
2004	Poole	Sweden (49 pts)	Great Britain (48 pts)	Denmark (32 pts)
2005	Wrocław	Poland (62 pts)	Sweden (34 pts)	Denmark (31 pts)
2006	Reading	Denmark (45 pts)	Sweden (37 pts)	Great Britain (36 pts)
2007	Leszno	Poland (55 pts)	Denmark (52 pts)	Australia (29 pts)
2008	Vojens	Denmark (49 pts)	Poland (46 pts)	Sweden (39 pts)
2009	Leszno	Poland (44 pts)	Australia (43 pts)	Sweden (36 pts)
2010	Vojens	Poland (44 pts)	Denmark (39 pts)	Sweden (35 pts)
2011	Gorzów Wielkopolski	Poland (51 pts)	Australia (45 pts)	Sweden (30 pts)
2012	Målilla	Denmark (39 pts)	Australia (36 pts)	Russia (30 pts)
2013	Prague	Poland (41 pts)	Denmark (40 pts)	Australia (34 pts)
2014	Bydgoszcz	Denmark (38 pts)	Poland (37 pts)	Australia (36 pts)
2015	Vojens	Sweden (34 pts)	Denmark (32 pts)	Poland (27 pts)
2016	Manchester	Poland (39 pts)	Great Britain (32 pts)	Sweden (30 pts)
2017	Leszno	Poland (50 pts)	Sweden (42 pts)	Russia (18 pts)

 

Year	Venue	Winners	Runner-up	3rd place
2018	Wrocław	Russia (45 Pts)	Great Britain (46 Pts)	Poland (36 Pts)
2019	Tolyatti	Russia (45 Pts)	Poland (47 Pts)	Australia (41 Pts)
2020	Lublin	Russia (23 pts)	Poland (23 pts)	Denmark (19 pts)
2021	Belle Vue	Great Britain (64 pts)	Poland (74 pts)	Denmark (68 pts)

 

3 outside of Poland in 21 years

In the Zmarzlik era though, they won in Prague in 2013 and Manchester in 2016 (only losing out in Vojens in 2015) - plus they top scored in both the Tolyatti and Belle Vue Speedway of Nations (despite losing the Grand Final). That's not exactly poor performances.

Plus, if we look at the junior categories, Poland have been pretty dominant outside of Poland.

Again, not really disagreeing with you, just playing devil's advocate.

(edit, apologies, Zmarzlik didn't ride in 2013)

Edited July 28, 2022 by baiden

[Bagpuss 10,783]

1 hour ago, iainb said:

I've said it before and I'll say it again... the Poles ain't all that outside of Poland, history and the record books tells us this

 

16 minutes ago, iainb said:

A lot of people seem to have an over inflated opinion of the Poles because in recent times the majority of GP's have been held in their home country.

Hence why, for me, the 2020 World Championship was a farce.