Col 856 Posted October 25, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Charlieboy said: Holder 67 Fricke 52 so Jack scores 15 more than Max but is a worse GP rider !!!!! Logic ?? I can't make much sense of it either, but Fricke did miss the last couple of GP's didn't he? Ekstraliga stats would suggest Jack Holder is the 27th best rider in the World. Edited October 25, 2022 by Col Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Charlieboy 413 Posted October 25, 2022 21 minutes ago, Col said: I can't make much sense of it either, but Fricke did miss the last couple of GP's didn't he? Ekstraliga stats would suggest Jack Holder is the 27th best rider in the World. Jack outscored max 7-2 in gps and max won one !!! Max missed one gp So don’t get jack is worse gp rider. Polish league is another competition. Max might be better in the polish league. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Col 856 Posted October 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, Charlieboy said: Jack outscored max 7-2 in gps and max won one !!! Max missed one gp So don’t get jack is worse gp rider. Polish league is another competition. Max might be better in the polish league. Fricke didn't even ride in the Ekstraliga. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeneralMelchett 500 Posted October 25, 2022 Irrespective of personality and who rode where and when - what matters in Sheffield is how good is Holder at Owlerton and at U.K. tracks - Sheffield fans will I am sure be glad to see him back and at no1 again 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arnieg 3,658 Posted October 25, 2022 2 hours ago, GeneralMelchett said: Irrespective of personality and who rode where and when - what matters in Sheffield is how good is Holder at Owlerton and at U.K. tracks - Sheffield fans will I am sure be glad to see him back and at no1 again And yet the following all have higher away averages than Jack Holder: Steve Worrall Charles Wright Danny King Troy Batchelor Thomas Jorgensen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeneralMelchett 500 Posted October 25, 2022 42 minutes ago, arnieg said: And yet the following all have higher away averages than Jack Holder: Steve Worrall Charles Wright Danny King Troy Batchelor Thomas Jorgensen That may well be so but at least 2 of them I wouldn’t think would consider 2023 at Sheffield (well one for sure) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Col 856 Posted October 25, 2022 1 hour ago, arnieg said: And yet the following all have higher away averages than Jack Holder: Steve Worrall Charles Wright Troy Batchelor Thomas Jorgensen Did they all avoid riding at Foxhall also? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrew 125 Posted October 25, 2022 4 hours ago, GeneralMelchett said: and at no1 again Jack might start at no5... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Col 856 Posted October 25, 2022 I really do wish they'd stop the your #1 in the averages must ride at #1 rule. It removes some of the "skill" required to be a team manager, as long as the reserves have to be 6 & 7 a team manager should be able to put the other riders in any order they wish. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
martinmauger 584 Posted October 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Col said: I really do wish they'd stop the your #1 in the averages must ride at #1 rule. It removes some of the "skill" required to be a team manager, as long as the reserves have to be 6 & 7 a team manager should be able to put the other riders in any order they wish. This ^ .... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fromafar 10,397 Posted October 25, 2022 7 hours ago, Col said: Fricke didn't even ride in the Ekstraliga. Not this season because he got a great deal to stay with ZG to try and get them back ,they Failed.He is back in Ekstraliga next season though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arch Stanton 2,266 Posted October 25, 2022 4 hours ago, arnieg said: And yet the following all have higher away averages than Jack Holder: Steve Worrall Charles Wright Danny King Troy Batchelor Thomas Jorgensen Pretty shocking that! Especially the bottom two, Jorgensen in particular is good at Lynn but known to be a poor traveler. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cue Ball 416 Posted October 25, 2022 I haven’t fact checked… but according to this website, Holder has a higher away average than all of those mentioned save for Worrall http://speedway-stats.co.uk/Averages 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Charlieboy 413 Posted October 25, 2022 44 minutes ago, Cue Ball said: I haven’t fact checked… but according to this website, Holder has a higher away average than all of those mentioned save for Worrall http://speedway-stats.co.uk/Averages I don’t know why fans of other clubs are so obsessed with jacks away form. We were top of the league in a team sport and won more away than anybody else so if I were them I’d be more worried about my own teams away form. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arnieg 3,658 Posted October 25, 2022 45 minutes ago, Cue Ball said: I haven’t fact checked… but according to this website, Holder has a higher away average than all of those mentioned save for Worrall http://speedway-stats.co.uk/Averages I've used Premiership matches ex bonus points from gbspeedway.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
