Daniel Smith 5,665 Posted November 24, 2022 (edited) (Bracket averages are rolling / team position averages) Belle Vue Aces: 1. Brady Kurtz 8.51 2. Norick Blodorn 5.83 3. Jaimon Lidsey 7.86 4. Ben Cook 6.00 5. Dan Bewley 8.01 (8.21) 6. Connor Mountain 3.38 (4.51) 7. Connor Bailey R/S Team Manager: Mark Lemon Ave: 39.59 (40.92) Remaining: 00.41 ________________________________ Birmingham Brummies: 1. Piotr Pawlicki 7.50 2. Wiktor Lampart 6.00 3. Steve Worrall 6.44 (6.60) 4. Tom Brennan 5.87 (6.02) 5. Vaclav Milik 7.50 6. Zach Cook 5.10 7. Leon Flint R/S Team Manager: Sam Ermolenko Ave: 38.41 (38.72) Remaining: 01.59 ________________________________ Ipswich Witches: 1. Emil Sayfutdinov 10.10 2. Keynan Rew 4.00 3. Danny King 7.05 (7.23) 4. Adam Ellis 5.57 (5.71) 5. Jason Doyle 9.12 6. Jordan Jenkins 3.16 (4.21) 7. Daniel Thompson R/S Team Manager: Richie Hawkins Ave: 39.00 (40.37) Remaining: 01.00 ________________________________ King's Lynn Stars: 1. Tobiasz Musielak 8.69 2. Michael Palm Toft 5.13 3. Niels Kristian Iversen 6.64 4. Benjamin Basso 6.25 5. Vadim Tarasenko 6.94 6. Patryk Wojdylo 5.00 7. Anders Rowe R/S Team Manager: Rob Lyon Ave: 38.65 (38.65) Remaining: 01.35 ________________________________ Leicester Lions: 1. Max Fricke 8.98 2. Richard Lawson 6.41 (6.57) 3. Sam Masters 7.13 4. Luke Becker 7.03 5. Ryan Douglas 7.14 6. Drew Kemp 3.03 (4.04) 7. Joe Thompson R/S Team Manager: Stewart Dickson Ave: 39.72 (40.89) Remaining: 00.28 ________________________________ Oxford Spires: 1. Maciej Janowski 8.97 2. Charles Wright 6.15 (6.31) 3. Chris Harris 6.37 (6.53) 4. Rohan Tungate 6.61 5. Nicolai Klindt 6.89 6. Lewis Kerr 5.31 (5.45) 7. Aston Boughen R/S Team Manager: Ave: 40.30 (40.76) Remaining: -00.30 ________________________________ Sheffield Tigers: 1. Jack Holder 8.91 2. Kyle Howarth 5.44 (5.55) 3. Chris Holder 7.16 4. Josh Pickering 6.78 5. Tai Woffinden 8.26 (8.47) 6. Jason Edwards 3.00 7. Dan Gilkes R/S Team Manager: Simon Stead Ave: 39.55 (39.87) Remaining: 00.45 ________________________________ Edited January 22 by Daniel Smith 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Roger Jacobs 554 Posted December 26, 2022 The Rising Star list: https://britishspeedway.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/2023-PL-Rising-Stars-1-1.pdf 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
szkocjasid 3,033 Posted December 26, 2022 I'm not sure I believe this team building vs rider average malarky & fully expect to see Brennan beginning the season at reserve. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arnieg 3,643 Posted December 27, 2022 9 hours ago, szkocjasid said: I'm not sure I believe this team building vs rider average malarky & fully expect to see Brennan beginning the season at reserve. I'm in agreement with you. But how will Brennan/Mountain/Hume's rolling averages work in 2023? After (say) 6 matches will they: 1) stay on starting average because in effect they have 'assessed' averages 2) have a GSA based on last 4 of 2022 and 6 from 2023. 3) have a GSA based on the six 2023 matches and 75% of the points scored from the 4 remaining 2022 matches? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gambo 1,341 Posted December 27, 2022 All three have valid (10 meeting) Rolling averages. 2023 Rolling Averages revert back to the 20 meetings criteria, so, after your 6 matches scenario, they will have a RA based on 16 meetings. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daniel Smith 5,665 Posted December 27, 2022 Brennan is at reserve. In terms of rolling averages, it's the same as everyone else. After the first 2023 greensheets Brennan will likely move in to the top 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Call me wolfie 677 Posted December 27, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Daniel Smith said: Brennan is at reserve. In terms of rolling averages, it's the same as everyone else. After the first 2023 greensheets Brennan will likely move in to the top 5 How can he be at reserve, his MA is higher than both Lidsey and Blodorn. Surely the 25% reduction is purely for team building purposes, his MA remains unchanged. Edited December 27, 2022 by Call me wolfie 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
topaz325 1,859 Posted December 27, 2022 (edited) Lewis Kerr reserve for Sheffield ..... or possibly Bellego if averages change... Edited December 27, 2022 by topaz325 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv 10,706 Posted December 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Gambo said: All three have valid (10 meeting) Rolling averages. 2023 Rolling Averages revert back to the 20 meetings criteria, so, after your 6 matches scenario, they will have a RA based on 16 meetings. Very bizarre to make such a big thing of reducing the sample down to 10 through 2022 and then at the first opportunity switch back to 20 in 2023..... I believe it is the correct decision but why not just use a 20 meeting sample from the start 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gambo 1,341 Posted December 27, 2022 1 minute ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: Very bizarre to make such a big thing of reducing the sample down to 10 through 2022 and then at the first opportunity switch back to 20 in 2023..... I believe it is the correct decision but why not just use a 20 meeting sample from the start If you use 20 meetings from the start of 2023, most averages would change from the published 10 match stats. Team places would be swapping before the season started! Riders who missed the 2022 season, (Rory Schlein for example) will start with his 17 meetings from 2021 stats. Rolling Average stats will not include any data from seasons prior to 2021. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv 10,706 Posted December 27, 2022 13 minutes ago, Gambo said: If you use 20 meetings from the start of 2023, most averages would change from the published 10 match stats. Team places would be swapping before the season started! Riders who missed the 2022 season, (Rory Schlein for example) will start with his 17 meetings from 2021 stats. Rolling Average stats will not include any data from seasons prior to 2021. I can see the logic if it has been a late change after team building has largely been completed Should really though have been something foreseen by August/September and simply ratified at the AGM within it causing problems The only teams affected would perhaps have been those manipulating the 10 match set to suit their 2023 plans..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IronScorpion 1,407 Posted December 27, 2022 17 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: I can see the logic if it has been a late change after team building has largely been completed Should really though have been something foreseen by August/September and simply ratified at the AGM within it causing problems The only teams affected would perhaps have been those manipulating the 10 match set to suit their 2023 plans..... What!!!! similar to the Championship from 2H 2A back to 1H 1A because some teams running 2 teams didn't realise the could/will not fulfil all their fixtures. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daniel Smith 5,665 Posted December 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Call me wolfie said: How can he be at reserve, his MA is higher than both Lidsey and Blodorn. Surely the 25% reduction is purely for team building purposes, his MA remains unchanged. I actually agree, hence I'd placed him in the top 5, but apparently Mark Lemon confirmed Brennan will be starting at reserve. The 25% should be team building only. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
szkocjasid 3,033 Posted December 27, 2022 3 hours ago, Call me wolfie said: How can he be at reserve, his MA is higher than both Lidsey and Blodorn. Surely the 25% reduction is purely for team building purposes, his MA remains unchanged. It is much simpler to use just one average, meaning Brennan's team building ave would put him at reserve. I cannot personally remember any situation where the 2.5% reduction has led to a Brit with a lower average being ranked higher than a foreigner with an actual average for team positions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites