iainb 5,022 Posted July 7, 2023 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: Correct, it was stopped because a rider fell & the rider at fault from the tapes gained an advantage. The referee chose the unsatisfactory start option & called all four back. It's not hard to grasp, it is an option to the referee's. So if it was an unsatisfactory start, Tarasenko should have been excluded for leaving the track as he returned into the pits, if it wasn't Sedgmen should have gone for being the primary cause of the stoppage Edited July 7, 2023 by iainb Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daniel Smith 5,666 Posted July 7, 2023 1 hour ago, iainb said: So if it was an unsatisfactory start, Tarasenko should have been excluded for leaving the track as he returned into the pits, if it wasn't Sedgmen should have gone for being the primary cause of the stoppage I've already stated, Sedgmen went back to the pits because of the fall which allows all rider's to return. Tarasenko got lucky, had Sedgmen not needed to go back to the pits Tarasenko would have been excluded. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iainb 5,022 Posted July 7, 2023 17 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: I've already stated, Sedgmen went back to the pits because of the fall which allows all rider's to return. Tarasenko got lucky, had Sedgmen not needed to go back to the pits Tarasenko would have been excluded. Well... looking at the official SCB score card it looks like heat 6 wasn't called an unsatisfactory start as if it was, the rules state: "The Referee will give a warning to any rider deemed to have been the cause of or contributed to the unsatisfactory start. This will be communicated verbally by the Referee to the rider concerned via the start marshal or clerk of course before the race is started." According to the SCB card there were 3 starting offences 2 x Worrall & 1 x NKI. So if it wasn't an unsatisfactory start somebody should have been disqualified for being the primary cause of the stoppage. ... just trying to understand the rules 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Roger Jacobs 554 Posted July 9, 2023 (edited) On 7/7/2023 at 5:40 PM, Daniel Smith said: Correct, it was stopped because a rider fell & the rider at fault from the tapes gained an advantage. The referee chose the unsatisfactory start option & called all four back. It's not hard to grasp, it is an option to the referee's. I've just read Iainb's reply - it's all very confusing. Edited July 9, 2023 by Roger Jacobs 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iainb 5,022 Posted July 9, 2023 1 minute ago, Roger Jacobs said: Thanks for confirming it was declared an unsatisfactory start. I'm not sure it was though Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Roger Jacobs 554 Posted July 9, 2023 Just now, iainb said: I'm not sure it was though Thanks - I've just edited my reply! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iainb 5,022 Posted July 9, 2023 Just now, Roger Jacobs said: Thanks - I've just edited my reply! One thing's for sure... confusion rules the day Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigcatdiary 3,165 Posted July 10, 2023 On 7/7/2023 at 3:03 PM, W9 Lion said: Two seasons ago I remember watch NKI get excluded for 2 mins in the Swedish at his home track that has a countdown clock. The stopwatch on my wrist is for my benefit so I am fair to all riders, A riders knows when they are short on time as they are told by the Start Marshal at Leicester. NKI choose to ignore this and the following instructions including the ref flashing the green light twice. The only person who deprved the paying public of the oppositons main man was the rider. Wayne Jarvis by his decision to exclude NKI delayed the meeting even more and made heat 15 a virtual non event bearing in mind FRICKE was unbeaten and Lawson had only been beaten once by NKI. Common sense should have been applied, supporters go to watch speedway not referees making poor decisions Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Happy Hunter 370 Posted July 10, 2023 Do you want to do away with the 2 minute rule then? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gambo 1,341 Posted July 10, 2023 1 minute ago, bigcatdiary said: Wayne Jarvis by his decision to exclude NKI delayed the meeting even more and made heat 15 a virtual non event bearing in mind FRICKE was unbeaten and Lawson had only been beaten once by NKI. Common sense should have been applied, supporters go to watch speedway not referees making poor decisions The overall consensus of opinion seems to differ from yours. Iversen only just beat the two minutes exclusion, and then proceeded to ignore the Referee and Start Marshall prompts to be ready to race. How long should he have been given? Another minute..two minutes...? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SJA 40 Posted July 10, 2023 6 minutes ago, bigcatdiary said: Wayne Jarvis by his decision to exclude NKI delayed the meeting even more and made heat 15 a virtual non event bearing in mind FRICKE was unbeaten and Lawson had only been beaten once by NKI. Common sense should have been applied, supporters go to watch speedway not referees making poor decisions The poor decision would have been to allow NKI to race. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikebv 10,292 Posted July 10, 2023 6 minutes ago, Gambo said: The overall consensus of opinion seems to differ from yours. Iversen only just beat the two minutes exclusion, and then proceeded to ignore the Referee and Start Marshall prompts to be ready to race. How long should he have been given? Another minute..two minutes...? It baffles me how the very same riders can follow all orders in Poland, then, sometimes the very next day, ignore them over here.. I can only presume it is down to the threat of any consequence being more unlikely.. Let's hope all refs follow this one, and all remain consistent in approach.. If they do, very quickly, meetings will run much smoother.. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iainb 5,022 Posted July 10, 2023 1 minute ago, mikebv said: It baffles me how the very same riders can follow all orders in Poland, then, sometimes the very next day, ignore them over here.. I can only presume it is down to the threat of any consequence being more unlikely.. Let's hope all refs follow this one, and all remain consistent in approach.. If they do, very quickly, meetings will run much smoother.. He's not got to "guess" how long of the 2 mins is left in Poland Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
W9 Lion 222 Posted July 10, 2023 7 minutes ago, mikebv said: It baffles me how the very same riders can follow all orders in Poland, then, sometimes the very next day, ignore them over here.. I can only presume it is down to the threat of any consequence being more unlikely.. Let's hope all refs follow this one, and all remain consistent in approach.. If they do, very quickly, meetings will run much smoother.. Couldnt agree more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikebv 10,292 Posted July 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, iainb said: He's not got to "guess" how long of the 2 mins is left in Poland They need to get that red, blue, white and yellow strip for the bikes to leave from together at every meeting... Then they would all know they have two mins from then... A huge step forward for the sport in this country that strip thing... Nailing the priority issues.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
