Pinny 2,536 Posted August 9, 2023 1 minute ago, Najjer said: Doubling up in its current guise didn’t start 20 years ago though - there was many more riders back then and the situation was more than under control. The current problem has only really come to light in much more recent years completely ruining teams identities and team speedway in the UK in the process. The Poles allowed doubling up for the first time during the covid year and they absolutely hated it, thought it was a mockery and soon abolished it as a nonsense at the time. The sooner UK speedway does the same, the better. Cant argue with that. one league with a new 5 rider format maybe the way to go . 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Najjer 2,890 Posted August 9, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Pinny said: Cant argue with that. one league with a new 5 rider format maybe the way to go . I wouldn’t be opposed to that either - with no guests then. The Danes make that work and there is no reason why we cant Edited August 9, 2023 by Najjer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ben91 1,743 Posted August 9, 2023 I’m off on a tangent here, apologies. There isn’t a lack of riders. There is a lack of riders of the standard the sport tries to run at in Britain. The doubling up free for all has only magnified that and made it worse over the last decade or so. The rules are to blame. As it is, there are likely to be a fair few less teams running next season. That means one league should be put in place eradicating the bad type of doubling up (between Premiership and Championship). Smaller teams are not the answer. It would result in a similar over saturation of the same riders as all this doubling up has. We also have to find a system that removes guests from the sport here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikebv 10,292 Posted August 9, 2023 3 hours ago, Ben91 said: I’m off on a tangent here, apologies. There isn’t a lack of riders. There is a lack of riders of the standard the sport tries to run at in Britain. The doubling up free for all has only magnified that and made it worse over the last decade or so. The rules are to blame. As it is, there are likely to be a fair few less teams running next season. That means one league should be put in place eradicating the bad type of doubling up (between Premiership and Championship). Smaller teams are not the answer. It would result in a similar over saturation of the same riders as all this doubling up has. We also have to find a system that removes guests from the sport here. Pipe dream... The sport is a hobby for most promoters and, off the back of that, set up solely for most riders to race as much as they can so they can be "professional"... That won't change, because it cannot.. Riders won't suddenly ride for less and guesting is a "nice little earner" as once described to me by a lad who did a fair few.... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jaizer 2,864 Posted August 24, 2023 I remember when CLRC was the highlight of the season..looked forward to the trip to Sheffield every year. This revised lineup it's almost like why bother. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DazS 431 Posted August 24, 2023 gone the same way as the BLRC Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikebv 10,292 Posted August 24, 2023 (edited) On 8/9/2023 at 11:34 AM, Najjer said: Doubling up in its current guise didn’t start 20 years ago though - there was many more riders back then and the situation was more than under control. The current problem has only really come to light in much more recent years completely ruining teams identities and team speedway in the UK in the process. The Poles allowed doubling up for the first time during the covid year and they absolutely hated it, thought it was a mockery and soon abolished it as a nonsense at the time. The sooner UK speedway does the same, the better. The riders who DU need the money and, having done it for many years now, will be used to it... One Big League maybe would offer enough meetings to cover how many they have now, but would all clubs want to run so many? If you are losing money running 12 matches, why run 24? As that would double your losses!! A corner self painted into, and not sure if they can ever get out of it... Unless of course they all compromise and agree that for the vast majority of riders, being fully pro is not possible given the numbers paying to watch it.. And the Promoters then have to accept that a lower (but affordable) standard could be the only option.. (Fans too)... Edited August 24, 2023 by mikebv 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ben91 1,743 Posted August 24, 2023 1 minute ago, mikebv said: The riders who DU need the money and, having done it for many years now, will be used to it... One Big League maybe would offer enough meetings to cover how many they have now, but would all clubs want to run so many? If you are losing money running 12 matches, why run 24? As that would double your losses!! A corner self painted into, and not sure if they can ever get out of it... Unless of course they all compromise and agree that for the vast majority of riders, being fully pro is not possible given the numbers paying to watch it.. And the Promoters then have to accept that a lower (but affordable) standard could be the only option.. Time for riders to double up with outside jobs rather than with two clubs. Doubling up is bad for the sport, good for the riders. Things should be done for the good of the sport. In most other motorsports only the very elite competitors are lucky enough to race as their full time profession. Most speedway riders seem to expect a full time living from the sport even if they’re second tier, second string plodders or worse. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigred 187 Posted August 24, 2023 49 minutes ago, Ben91 said: Time for riders to double up with outside jobs rather than with two clubs. Doubling up is bad for the sport, good for the riders. Things should be done for the good of the sport. In most other motorsports only the very elite competitors are lucky enough to race as their full time profession. Most speedway riders seem to expect a full time living from the sport even if they’re second tier, second string plodders or worse. Try getting a job that gives a rider the time off to ride speedway,make it a weekend sport is another answer,especially for the lower league which the kids have to rely on there parents to get time off work. gb speedway needs a huge shake up,it has done for years.until that happens it will only get worse not better . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StevePark 2,783 Posted August 24, 2023 New line-up announced (on BSPL website): THE revised line-up for the Championship League Riders’ Championship, which takes place at Redcar on Sunday (5pm), has been published. Alterations have been made to the original line-up due to recent injuries and re-arranged fixtures in Poland on the same day. All nine Cab Direct Championship clubs are still represented with a host of top heat-leaders contesting the major event at the ECCO Arena. The line-up is as follows: 1 Rory Schlein (Berwick) 2 Justin Sedgmen (Birmingham) 3 Troy Batchelor (Birmingham) 4 Scott Nicholls (Oxford) 5 Richard Lawson (Poole) 6 Richie Worrall (Plymouth) 7 Kyle Howarth (Plymouth) 8 Lewis Kerr (Oxford) 9 Charles Wright (Redcar) 10 Ryan Douglas (Scunthorpe) 11 Craig Cook (Edinburgh) 12 Ben Cook (Poole) 13 Chris Harris (Glasgow) 14 Jake Allen (Scunthorpe) 15 Danny King (Redcar) 16 Leon Flint (Berwick) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
allthegearbutnaeidea 1,735 Posted August 24, 2023 6 minutes ago, StevePark said: New line-up announced (on BSPL website): THE revised line-up for the Championship League Riders’ Championship, which takes place at Redcar on Sunday (5pm), has been published. Alterations have been made to the original line-up due to recent injuries and re-arranged fixtures in Poland on the same day. All nine Cab Direct Championship clubs are still represented with a host of top heat-leaders contesting the major event at the ECCO Arena. The line-up is as follows: 1 Rory Schlein (Berwick) 2 Justin Sedgmen (Birmingham) 3 Troy Batchelor (Birmingham) 4 Scott Nicholls (Oxford) 5 Richard Lawson (Poole) 6 Richie Worrall (Plymouth) 7 Kyle Howarth (Plymouth) 8 Lewis Kerr (Oxford) 9 Charles Wright (Redcar) 10 Ryan Douglas (Scunthorpe) 11 Craig Cook (Edinburgh) 12 Ben Cook (Poole) 13 Chris Harris (Glasgow) 14 Jake Allen (Scunthorpe) 15 Danny King (Redcar) 16 Leon Flint (Berwick) Who’s pulled out now? I can see Ben Cook has came in 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skidder1 7,637 Posted August 24, 2023 3 minutes ago, allthegearbutnaeidea said: Who’s pulled out now? I can see Ben Cook has came in So this is the first revised line-up then? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jaizer 2,864 Posted August 24, 2023 4 minutes ago, allthegearbutnaeidea said: Who’s pulled out now? I can see Ben Cook has came in Masters, basso, Pickering and S worrall of top of my head Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
allthegearbutnaeidea 1,735 Posted August 24, 2023 Basso gone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisa-colette 6,035 Posted August 24, 2023 Yeah last update before this one had Basso in so Ben Cook must in for him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites