Ipswich Witches vs Belle Vue Aces (new playoff semi 1st leg) 21/09/23

[Bagpuss 10,781]

8 hours ago, orion said:

Bewley quite clearly does not like the track..his scores before that show that. 

That's fair enough and clearly a factor but you'd still expect one of the top half a dozen riders in the world to score more than five. He had a modest score in Sweden on Tuesday too, it's pretty clear where his priorities lie this week. 

[foreverblue 6,096]

6 hours ago, mikebv said:

Just got back in...

Crowd seemed decent, not sure how that fits against a normal one but the car park was reasonably well used..

Had to use my key to find my car...

Racing was pretty average to be honest but I presume track prep was dictated to by the forecast..

Interesting everyone thought King and Bomber would "love the mud", but there wasnt any, and the track was slick all night...

For the Aces, Dan was involved in four heats that saw a 12 point deficit which isn't really good enough for a top five GP rider, and you would have expected at least two wins from a rider of his talent, even if Emil may end up beating him twice. Two wins off Dan against the other Witches and the deficit could have been 12 points..

The rear end of his bike in the first race looked strange when he did a practice start on the back straight and his mechanics were waiting for him on the home straight as if they were expecting something to happen. He didn't seem to have "Polish Speed" that's for sure...

Brady, Tom and Jaimon can walk away satisfied with their contribution, the other 3 definitely not so...

The Witches were just more aggressive from Heat One and ran out deserving winners...

However, leads like they have can quickly get reduced at the NSS so not over yet...

I must admit, part of me would like to see the Aces lose overall by two, as it would mean a cracking meeting,  and Jack Smiths second tonight then would be the "difference maker"...

No one calling for King, Riss and Hawkins to be sacked tonight I notice...

Dan has clearly not done it this year, couldn't believe he scored less than Holder in the cup. Kurtz has outscored him all season, you would have thought he would want to do better for his home club,strange how someone like Musielak always seems pull it all out for Sheffield.

[TTT 1,229]

1 hour ago, SPEEDY69 said:

Nonsense

How do you explain Bewley's UK season then?

If he's struggling in Britain then he should be struggling in the GP's and Ekstraliga if it's down to the rider himself because the GP's and Ekstraliga is at a World Class level.

He's only struggling in Britain, The weakest league / competition in his diary therefore it has to be equipment related because their is no other explanation for it.

[iainb 5,018]

10 hours ago, SPEEDY69 said:

I don't buy that at all, he'll be wanting to win all the races he's in. No reason for his machinery to be sub-standard with all the money he's making and why would you want to lose races. He's just being beaten. The UK is not as easy as some think. 

It's amazing how quickly some fans turn on a rider... and their talisman as well

Looking at his record around Foxhole, he pretty much rode to type

Dan Bewley at Ipswich

 

		No.	Points	Total
Thu Apr 13th 2023	Ipswich v Belle Vue (PRa)	1	2, 3, 1, 1, 1	8
Thu Jul 13th 2023	Ipswich v Belle Vue (PRb)	1	2, X, 2, 0	4
Thu May 20th 2021	Ipswich v Belle Vue (PRa)	3	2, 2, 2', 3, 1'	10	+2
Thu Jul 8th 2021	Ipswich v Belle Vue (PRb)	5	1', 3, 3, 0, 0	7	+1
Thu Apr 18th 2019	Ipswich v Belle Vue (PRa)	3	0, R, 0	0
Thu Jul 12th 2018	Ipswich v Workington (CP)	4	X, 1', 1, 1, 3, 0	6	+1
Thu May 4th 2017	Ipswich v Glasgow (CPa)	2	2, F, 1', 1, 1'	5	+2
Thu Aug 3rd 2017	Ipswich v Glasgow (CPb)	4	0, 1, 1', 3	5	+1
Thu May 19th 2016	Ipswich v Edinburgh (PL)	7	X, 0, 0, 2, 0	2

 

I agree with you about the standard of the BL, it's not as easy as some think, if you look through the Polish teams, yes some are very strong, but others are filled with Danny King types, riders who are pretty useful in their own country.

[bellevueace 913]

1 hour ago, Daniel Smith said:

Bewley being out performed home & away by Kurtz is unacceptable. 

Kurtz has been improving each season to be fair to him.

[bellevueace 913]

23 minutes ago, foreverblue said:

Dan has clearly not done it this year, couldn't believe he scored less than Holder in the cup. Kurtz has outscored him all season, you would have thought he would want to do better for his home club,strange how someone like Musielak always seems pull it all out for Sheffield.

Kurtz has been our best rider for a couple of seasons now, agree about Musielak great rider, reliable and can ride all tracks big or small, will be a big miss for Sheffield.

[Garry1603 353]

No point pointing the finger at BV riders. They've had a great season in the whole, but all seven had a poor meeting last night and will be disappointed with their scores.

Track conditions didn't help obviously, and Bewley doesn't seem to like the Foxhall stack, but it's not an excuse the better and more committed team won easily on the night

 

[iainb 5,018]

8 minutes ago, bellevueace said:

Kurtz has been our best rider for a couple of seasons now, agree about Musielak great rider, reliable and can ride all tracks big or small, will be a big miss for Sheffield.

Over the course of this season Kurtz has scored 3 points more than Bewley

7 points more over the last 20 rolling matches

Edited September 22, 2023 by iainb

[SUPERACE 440]

5 minutes ago, Garry1603 said:

No point pointing the finger at BV riders. They've had a great season in the whole, but all seven had a poor meeting last night and will be disappointed with their scores.

Track conditions didn't help obviously, and Bewley doesn't seem to like the Foxhall stack, but it's not an excuse the better and more committed team won easily on the night

 

Kurtz and Brennan weren't poor, they can be proud of their efforts.  We missed Charles and the other 4 just didn't ride to thier level.  No excuses as even with out Charles we should of been good enough to keep it below 10 points.  But that's Speedway, let's see what Monday brings, but realistically its going to be very difficult to pull back 18.  

[wtf 621]

The interesting thing for me is how much Kurtz has improved on the tighter more technical tracks over the last couple of years. There were times not too long ago, when you knew if he went to Monmore or Foxhall, he would be useless and not up for it at all. He hated those type of tracks. He's now applied himself admirably and looks a quality rider at the tighter more technical tracks. Dan last night kept himself safe for the weekend. He always ran mid track where the bike was comfortable to ride. 

[DazS 430]

Kurtz has got a bigger meeting this weekend for his polish club, to go for promotion.

actually its next weekend.

Edited September 22, 2023 by DazS

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13 minutes ago, Garry1603 said:

No point pointing the finger at BV riders. They've had a great season in the whole, but all seven had a poor meeting last night and will be disappointed with their scores.

Track conditions didn't help obviously, and Bewley doesn't seem to like the Foxhall stack, but it's not an excuse the better and more committed team won easily on the night

 

Bewley hasnt had a great season, his average is way below his ability.

[iainb 5,018]

9 minutes ago, wtf said:

The interesting thing for me is how much Kurtz has improved on the tighter more technical tracks over the last couple of years. There were times not too long ago, when you knew if he went to Monmore or Foxhall, he would be useless and not up for it at all. He hated those type of tracks. He's now applied himself admirably and looks a quality rider at the tighter more technical tracks. Dan last night kept himself safe for the weekend. He always ran mid track where the bike was comfortable to ride. 

Looks like he's always been pretty useful around Ippo:

Brady Kurtz at Ipswich

 

		No.	Points	Total
Thu Apr 13th 2023	Ipswich v Belle Vue (PRa)	5	3, 0, 3, 3, 0	9
Thu Jul 13th 2023	Ipswich v Belle Vue (PRb)	5	2, R, 3, 1, 3	9
Thu Sep 21st 2023	Ipswich v Belle Vue (PRPO)	1	2, 1, 3, 1, 3	10
Thu May 5th 2022	Ipswich v Belle Vue (PRa)	5	1', 2, 3, 2, 3	11	+1
Thu Jul 14th 2022	Ipswich v Belle Vue (PRb)	3	2, 3, 2, 2, 1'	10	+1
Thu Sep 29th 2022	Ipswich v Belle Vue (PRPO)	5	3, 2, 3, 2, 1'	11	+1
Thu May 20th 2021	Ipswich v Belle Vue (PRa)	1	0, 3, 3^, 2', 3, 2	13	+1
Thu Jul 8th 2021	Ipswich v Belle Vue (PRb)	1	2, 3, 2, 1, 3^, 2	13
Thu Aug 29th 2019	Ipswich v Poole (PRb)	5	3, 3, 3, 2', X, 1	12	+1
Sat Sep 28th 2019	Ipswich v Poole (PRPO)	1	1, 2', 0, 0	3	+1
Thu Apr 9th 2015	Ipswich v Somerset (LC3)	3	1, 2, 0, 3	6
Thu Jun 18th 2015	Ipswich v Somerset (PL)	1	1'~, 1', 2, 2'	6	+3
Thu Apr 3rd 2014	Ipswich v Somerset (LC3)	3	F, 1', 1	2	+1
Thu Jun 5th 2014	Ipswich v Somerset (PKO)	3	1, 1, X, 2, 0	4
Thu Jul 24th 2014	Ipswich v Somerset (PL)	3	2, 3, 0^, 1, 0	6
He has improved at Wolves, he was far from "useless" though, except for his first visit, which you could maybe excuse: Brady Kurtz at Wolverhampton     No.   Points Total   Mon Apr 10th 2023 Wolverhampton v Belle Vue (PRKO) 5 1, 1, 2 4     Mon May 29th 2023 Wolverhampton v Belle Vue (PRa) 5 3, 2, 3, 3^, 1', 2 14 +1   Mon Jul 10th 2023 Wolverhampton v Belle Vue (PRb) 5 3, 2, 2', 1, 2 10 +1     Mon Apr 18th 2022 Wolverhampton v Belle Vue (PLCN) 5 3, 1, 3, 0 7     Mon Aug 29th 2022 Wolverhampton v Belle Vue (PRb) 3 3, 0, 3, 3^, 3, 3 15       Mon Jul 26th 2021 Wolverhampton v Belle Vue (PRa) 1 1', 2, 2, 0 5 +1   Mon Aug 30th 2021 Wolverhampton v Belle Vue (PRb) 5 3, 2, 3, 0, 2' 10 +1     Mon Jun 24th 2019 Wolverhampton v Poole (PRa) 5 X, 1, 3, 0 4     Mon Aug 26th 2019 Wolverhampton v Poole (PRb) 5 1, 2, 3, 2^, 1, 0 9       Mon Apr 23rd 2018 Wolverhampton v Poole (PRa) 1 2, 2, 2^, 3, 2, 1 12     Mon May 28th 2018 Wolverhampton v Poole (PRb) 1 1, 3, 3, 0, T 7       Mon Mar 27th 2017 Wolverhampton v Poole (ES) 3 3, 0, 0, 1 4       Mon May 2nd 2016 Wolverhampton v Poole (ELa) 6 2, 1, 0, 3, 0 6     Mon Sep 5th 2016 Wolverhampton v Poole (ELb) 4 0, 2, 3, 3, 0 8     Wed Sep 28th 2016 Wolverhampton v Poole (ELPO) 2 0, 0, F 0

Edited September 22, 2023 by iainb

[Phil The Ace 2,860]

Ipswich wanted it more. Congratulations to you guys. 
 

Very disappointing result for us. In fact quite angry about it. 
 

ipswich deserved the big lead they have. 

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10 minutes ago, SUPERACE said:

Kurtz and Brennan weren't poor, they can be proud of their efforts.  We missed Charles and the other 4 just didn't ride to thier level.  No excuses as even with out Charles we should of been good enough to keep it below 10 points.  But that's Speedway, let's see what Monday brings, but realistically its going to be very difficult to pull back 18.  

Charles was a big miss and it may have counted against you that Ipswich have ridden more recently. The track played a part and probably counted in their favour with the conditions not suiting Belle Vue also Blodorn was poor and you would have been better off with a guest as he may have come back too soon.