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Perhaps they'll get rid of that stupid title "Team GB" and call it "Great Britain"

Like watching dan bewley round the outside at the nss

Anybody criticising the new Belle Vue is suffering from one of two things; jealousy or stupidity. It is the best in this country by a mile, and we should create more tracks along similar lines.

THE Campaign Group have now submitted their representations to Rugby Borough Council regarding the Brandon Estates planning application. It has been necessary to prepare a lengthy submission in order to not only deal with the deficiencies of the application in technical terms, but also to correct numerous assertions made throughout the planning material which are either misleading or simply incorrect, and to also present an accurate timeline of the events of recent years. We have objected to the planning application on a total of eleven grounds. These are listed in the Executive Summary below. Each of those eleven grounds has its own section in our main document, and many give rise to other issues as the arguments are developed. We are particularly critical of the Turley Report on viability, and the Sustainability Appraisal, as neither present a fair or accurate appraisal of the position of the stadium when acquired by Brandon Estates – or at the end of 2016 – and both are entirely tailored to fit the applicant’s own criteria rather than providing an objective view or considering other suitable options. Other key sections refer to the damage done to the stadium since 2017; local and national policy concerning designated sports venues; the Green Belt status of the site; the negative impact of development on the area; and a wide range of other associated issues. The main document is backed up by further information in appendices as follows, many of which confirm that information in various parts of the planning application is seriously deficient or incorrect: - A brief introduction to the Campaign Group, our motives and our members. - Information previously published by the applicant which is directly contradictory to material in their planning application. - A 20-page document entitled ‘The Systematic Damage to the Iconic Brandon Stadium’ which is a full pictorial timeline of events since November 2016 and clearly shows how Brandon Estates have been seeking to benefit from their own lack of security on-site and the damage which has therefore been caused. Here we also include the outstanding response to our recent appeal for tradesmen/women. - Professional information relating to the business position of the stadium (staging speedway and stock car racing) under the previous owners. - Analysis and confirmation of the number of UK speedway venues over a 20-year period. - ‘Brandon Stadium – A Brief History’ – a 15-page document with pictures summarising the history of the stadium, the major events staged there for both speedway and stock cars, and its overwhelming importance to the local community. - The Campaign Group’s objections made to the local plan review. - Examples of major coverage in local, national and trade press. Our full submission, including appendices, runs to 80 pages, and provides a compelling argument not only for the rejection of the planning application but also for the stadium to be retained, re-furbished and re-opened. The timescale of the planning application is not known at this stage, but we have registered to speak at the official hearing. Our thanks to all speedway and stock car supporters from all over the world, official bodies and competitors of both sports, and the many local residents who have submitted their objections to this scheme to destroy one of the UK’s most famous oval motorsport venues. Below is the Executive Summary which forms the opening of our submission: EXECUTIVE SUMMARY The Save Coventry Speedway and Stox Campaign is an umbrella grouping of people who wish to see the long heritage of Speedway and Stock Car Racing in Coventry / Rugby continue, and be returned to the iconic Brandon (aka Coventry) Stadium as soon as possible. The Save Coventry Speedway and Stox Campaign wishes to place on record the strongest possible objections to Planning Application R18/0186, which would result in the loss and redevelopment of Brandon Stadium. The grounds of objections are as follows: 1. The proposals are directly contrary to the provisions of both the existing development plan (the Core Strategy, adopted 2011) and its emerging review (the Rugby Borough Local Plan, 2011-2031, Publication Draft, September 2016). 2. The housing proposals conflict with the Green Belt designation of the site. 3. The housing proposals are contrary to the provisions of national planning policy, which seeks to protect sports facilities from development. 4.'Fixing Our Broken Housing Market' and ‘Planning for Growth’ provide no grounds to support the housing proposals. 5. Brandon Stadium was, and remains, a viable use for the site. 6. Brandon Stadium remains the best site for Speedway and Stock Car Racing in Rugby Borough, and the failure of the owners in their obligations to secure the site is the only reason that has led to significant damage to the buildings since January 2017. 7. Brandon Stadium has a rich and long heritage reaching back to 1928 which should be treasured and protected. 8. The redevelopment of Brandon Stadium will result in the destruction of one of the most important tourist facilities in Rugby Borough. 9. The applicants have failed to demonstrate the viability of their proposals. 10. The proposals are premature and should be considered through the Development Plan process. 11. The Sustainability Appraisal and associated background material accompanying the planning application is deficient and does not provide sufficient basis to support the new housing proposals. In the following report and accompanying appendices we set out the reasoned and measured arguments in support of each of the above objections. We believe that the grounds of objection outlined above against Brandon Estates’ aggressive and predatory housing proposals are weighty, and present a compelling case for planning permission for the redevelopment of Brandon Stadium for new housing to be refused. The Save Coventry Speedway and Stox Campaign accordingly and respectfully calls upon Rugby Borough Council to embrace the long and rich sporting heritage to reject the planning application which would lead to the loss of one of the most iconic sports stadiums in the country. In the – hopefully unlikely - event that Rugby Borough Council might be persuaded to look favourably on residential development on the site of Brandon Stadium, the Save Coventry Speedway and Stox Campaign would strongly urge the current planning application to be refused, with the applicant being advised that they should only re-apply subject to the obligation to provide an alternative replacement stadium of comparable quality being proposed for consideration in tandem. Finally, we note that Rugby Borough Council’s Corporate Strategy 2017-20 strapline is ‘Proud of our past, fit for the future.’ We respectfully call upon them to apply this principle when making their decision on this planning application. ENDS

As a matter of interest Starman have you been able to get to the NSS yet? Thequality of the racing come across well on TV but there is nothing to compare with watching it live where you are so close to the track. Yes, we need more fans, like every other track but the new owners are in it for the long haul. Another benefit never mentioned is that the shape and width of the track means that there are very few falls and fewer restarts. Riders know that taking a risk at the tapes is not so important as it is at many other tracks because of the many passing lines. The result is that there are fewer of the delays which so many fans complain about. I was priveledged to have watched Speedway at Hyde Road for 30 years. It was a brilliant race track but no track can produce good racing in every race or even every match. When Ivan Mauger was first out of the tapes, which he invariably was, very few riders could get close enough to challenge him. What I can say is that in my opinion the NSS produces racing every bit as good. What it lacks is the atmosphere created by the crowds we had at Hyde Road but that is a much more difficult problem to resolve.

I find it quite emotional that so many tradesmen are offering their valuable services to get the stadium fit for purpose again. It is a clear demonstration that shows the kind of people who support Speedway and is certainly one of the factors which has kept me as an avid fan for most of my life. The Save Coventry appeal deserves to succeed and fans from all over the country are praying for success.

To big a strange comment ? this track is in the top four tracks in the World now and we should be proud of it.As a supporter i loved Hyde Rd in a way like the Abbey at Swindon a bit shabby and tired but the track was awesome to have another track to rival Hyde Rd is awesome great for British speedway.

In the case of Kennett you can understand, if the money isn't right. Did I half read in the International section that one of the top German(?) ice racers has moved to Newcastle??? Get him signed, he'll be a revelation in this weather! It'll probably be September before this lot melts!!!

I can't see the issue with British riders riding in both leagues in their own country. Other countries do it. It's called looking after your own. Couldn't care less if the French or other nationalities can't double up as well.

I Am 100 percent sure he's not working there all season just while d they doing the changes. And before you ask I Am in the know.

Absolutely brilliant effort by the campaign group. A real professional report that hits home the key points. Well done and thank you to everyone involved. Fingers, toes, legs and arms crossed for a successful outcome.

Indeed, Belle Vue is almost the perfect shape and size for a speedway track and provides proper fast speedway racing like nowhere else in the UK.

...or even England!

Both!

Exactly. What we need in Britain is more big tracks like the NSS to compete with the Polish scene. We've now got one which competes with the Polish tracks and is even better than quite a lot of them (Though the NSS is some 35 metres shorter than the old Hyde Road, which was considered the best track in the world). Most supporters (even the majority of Poole supporters) recognise that the NSS is world class and far and away the best track in Britain. As someone said, you've got to be stupid or jealous to say otherwise.

Starman, some of the biggest tracks are in Poland, we constantly get reminded of how good the racing is over there. We now have a track in the UK to rival any Polish track. As you rightly say, some races are from the gate, but the racing is still fast and close when it's FRG as riders trust the track and space and lines are plentiful.

HOPE so...

so the fours are going to redcar, and it's been voted track of the year 2017 so maybe it may just stop a few from knocking it?...

As i say you spout some amount of pish on a regular basis.

Couldn't agree more with this, but opening the doors last season has led to this situation. Re Bellego, I am sure if he took legal action the rule would be dropped, seems the BSPA don't learn, but no surprise there

I think a lot will be there. It's getting them to Leicester with admission fee going to Mick Horton that seems to be the problem.

I got the 2017 ELRC DVD for Christmas god there was some great racing in that meeting and by all accounts there was even better meetings than that through out the season.The track is built along the lines of Torun/ Hyde Rd a great shape just a shame about not being able to have bigger crowds as to have that track hosting GPS would of been awesome.

Speedway used to be after football as most supported sport in this country - it was certainly in the top 3! Where is it now? What steps are being taken to stop its decline and dropping crowds? Speedway is dying a slow, painful death in this country and without positive steps being implemented, it's decline will continue with only the few diehards left to support it. Unfortunately, the BSPAs solutions have been less than positive : annual dilution of the product, increase in prices, poor schedule planning leaving big gaps between meetings and then many meetings in the same week, too many "guest" riders, long drawn out meetings, too many race restarts and less value for money. The product is great but not enough "bigger picture" long term solutions and too much short term "fixes" as a result of self interest within the BSPA.

You spout some amount of pish on a regular basis.

I think the majority understand that , whatever the outcome it has been a massive effort by all concerned to get so much support for retaining the stadium.

Matt's searched down the back of the sofa. He reckons he's found enough money to pay for some budget racesuits for the Poundland Pirates after all.

Considering how skint Poole are, and how they can't afford Giles Hartwell and any racesuits, I think Matt has done well with the new racejacket design for the Poundland Pirates.

I just wonder whether you have ever been to Redcar SP? The Track certainly isn't narrow, and I have seen some fantastic races there. I, for one, am very pleased that Redcar are staging the 4's. I am sure that they would not have been awarded them had assurances not been given regarding the size of the Crowd and viewing ability of said Crowd. Personally, I wish Redcar and the Promotion all the luck in the world with this endeavour. It is a feather in their cap to bring such a prominent Event to the North East.

According to the SS today, Team GB is to be 'franchised out' to a private entity rather than BSPA. It would seem that Rob Painter of Revolution Speedway is the frontrunner for the franchise, with the BSPA's insistence that Rosco remains Team Manager - at least for this coming season. Comments........?!

brough track is not one of his favourite tracks doesn’t go particularly well here.imo

THEY'RE not ...

Money?

It's only an illegal mess because it's what the BSPA do oh too well. Given how few riders there are to go around these days I fail to see any issue with ANY British rider being allowed to ride both leagues if they want to. It's not and can't be illegal as all other European nations do exactly that. The ruling seemed to work fine before until last season when they changed the goalposts and then moved them back straight away. That was the worst possible move to make. Reward some, then penalise others. And I'm not surprised either in all honesty. Make it easier for your BRITISH riders, rules can apply to other nationalities. Seems fair enough to me.

The BLRC at Belle Vue took some beating even the very wet 1983 renewal was brilliant and seeing Carter around there at his best was a treat.The Ivan Mauger meeting also was a great event i think there was six in a race in that meeting Nielsen and remember Cookie Cook being very quick.I never in my lifetime thought that that track would have a rival but today's Belle Vue certainly is as Aces 51 said great that non gaters can go there i.e.) Auty ( can't gate for toffee) and have a real go.

Having due regards to the 7 day forecast and ground which is full of frost, we have decided to CANCEL the proposed 09/10/11 March days of practice. However we have decided to agree a new date, with consideration to the BEN meeting and our Stock Car landlords. We will now be having our Official Press/practice day on Friday 23 March......with open practice day on Saturday 24 March...and meet the riders at the STADIUM at 7.00pm on the Saturday evening...full details on the web pages. Sorry to change so earl but we gave full consideration to the detailed forecast and requirements of riders and fans.. James

I agree. I was sitting in the same temporary seats and the Polish fans were brilliant. Apart from the the big crowds we certainly can't replicate the wooden stands at Hyde Road and the noise created when thousands of fans were stamping their feet as they clapped and cheered. That definitely added to the atmosphere.

The BSPA re-branded the whole sport only two years ago ( SGB PL & CL ) - they just forgot to tell the outside world, who haven't yet noticed.

The new BV track is frankly, superb. I have been up several times and the only bad meeting I witnessed was the SWC semi. The final the following day was brilliant. I have gone up for the Poole meetings and all have been top notch racing. As for the Poole track, we are lucky to have such a good race track. Hopefully the dusting of snow we have had should effect the work that’s been done. A rider was seen playing on it last night. https://www.dropbox.com/s/2dwoiot1fbr90ex/Video 28-02-2018%2C 19 31 44.mov?dl=0

Have I missed it ? Has the new tv deal been announced? If so how many meetings are BT covering ?

Speedway's problem isn't being on TV. Speedway's problem is that most people in the country have no idea what it is or that it exist. Being on tv does not contribute towards that.

Edited for accuracy...

at least i am consistent ! the first 4 lines are all true ..

I remember this happening in a league meeting, hopefully it will have all cleared come 31 March 2018/1 April 2018!!!

Agree with your top 3 but I think the next 5 all pretty much of a likeness which is why I predicted that we will finish 4th. I also said that we would be this years surprise team and I still think that. The overall league imo will be much closer than for years which should make it more interesting. The bottom 5 could all have a shout for a play-off place going into their last couple of matches which would be good for both supporters and British speedway.

if you are looking for weed ,i am sure some able bodied person up there can supply (ooopps) you with some . remind us all again who owns the Cashfield track as we actually dont own Derwent Park , its on lease from the council . the weed patch will grow on the back straight due to it not being used . taylorj is an ardent supporter of the sport . so you really must read her post properly and not make up post to suit yourself . HAPPY BUFFDAA . Kyle Bickley , or was it Dan Bewley ? heard he was booking a table @ ashfield for his birthday treat .

Not really! Its a hell of a lot of money when they all there own suits anyway. 12K might have been spent on the track and that will reduce far more injuries than a Kevlar will. Think it’s a sensible decision.

Always makes me laugh reading/hearing stuff like this. The same as people who buy cheap work boots in construction and then moan their uncomfortable/falling apart quickly. £1000 is naff all for a suit that the rider will wear at least 30 times over an 8 month period.

Dave Jones and others seem to me to be making huge assumptions which are not necessarily true. For me, it does not matter a jot who is the promoter at any track. I go to enjoy watching the RIDERS and the TEAM. No matter what else, here is going to be a TEAM bearing the Bees name. Apart from physical reasons, I can see no reason not to attend.

It can to a certain extent . Few years back i saw a race at Ashfield where James Grieves out gated Lee Complin and blocked his every move for four laps . Complin was exciting to watch , but one dimensional . James knew he would use the outside line . Complin was all over James' back wheel and looked to have much more speed , but couldn't get past James as he covered the outside run every lap

I don't have sky or bt or virgin, it's pretty cheap that way.